Agreed and good to see Stokes get a productive season under his belt. That's gotta be a big relief

If Lloyd isn't physically available this year, and if he doesn't show some of the promise he had when GB drafted him, I think the Packers will move on from him this year, trade or release. Players have to be available #1, Lloyd can't even help on special teams which would be another reason to keep him.

I think GB will sign a veteran RB to backup Jacobs in his last year as a Packer, and will draft his replacement in 2027. Jacob's is just too expensive. The 2027 draft is where we will fill the final holes in the roster and actually draft players for the future. I know it's early to be thinking about 2027, but it will be a blast for the Packers to be a huge factor in that draft even without a first round pick.

Idk. After 3 years, they might just move on if that were the case. What more expert treatment is there? If he played well then got injured maybe, or came in mid season and looked the part. Hopefully he surprises us all. They certainly seem willing to give him every chance, but even then it’s possible one of the backups breaks out to a point where they move on if he can’t get out there. Kind of uncharted territory really.

The needs we went into the draft with according to fan consensus here seemed to be dome blend of DT, CB, a blocking capable TE, RB, Edge and some OL help at OT and IOL.

Looking at what we drafted or signed as UDFA, we got no help at T or at TE (unless you count two UDFAs that are less TEs and more WRs even than Musgrave). I suppose that with the (better upside) MVS type in Sturdivant, one could see that as 3 big WRs that might replace the blocking WR we jettisoned mid last season, at least early on.

What that tells me is that the team think our OL depth, particularly at T is much stronger than most fans. Brant Banks and Glover last summer may be much more highly rated than we tend to assume. It also suggests they like at least a couple of the non C IOL we overlook. We in fact only took a bafflingly significant project at C inside, who may have tremendous athletic upside, but not necessarily more than UDFAs we brought in and is not much more ready than them either.

As a rusher we took a high effort guy who plays nothing like his testing. Slow first step, lacking bend or change in direction and bend. Very little in the way of moves. A classic Gute type that’s not moved the needle. Enagbare was a 5th rounder and decent value, but now we are celebrating signing him in the 4th? Why, because of testing not film presumably.

At DT we signed a good player but not a NT. We traded up a good distance to get him. We arguably could have got Christian Miller with the similar capital. He is a genuine NT who can disrupt as well. Instead we took a zero/one technique specialist. Mclellan is a good player, but he's not an elite run defender and he’s not going to win by leverage or explosion. An ideal second big man next to a multi down NT, but not the player most felt we needed or, for that matter, even more mass to move. We are going to try to force him to be what he wasn’t and perhaps never will be.

We did at least address speed and agility at CB. We did zero at blocking TE other than lip service and we did zero at RB. I suspect that with RB, they didn’t like many options and do like what they had more. I tend to think that they might be right, given LaFleur’s emphasis on protecting.

So here we all are celebrating a miscast McClellan, a second Hercules, a massive technical IOL project (who may get a real push from at least one UDFA potential C. All year we hear laments about projects over production and RAS over film. After Cisse, that’s essentially what this draft is made up of, with the seeming desperation overreach for the wrong kind of DT.

Celebrate away, because on paper it’s posdible if you forget all the lessons from last year or the failures of early picks. To me, CB aside (and maybe at kicker, which is a coin flip punt every time), this draft might well prove the worst of Gute’s tenure and his eventual undoing. We constantly hear about the futility (or worse) of drafting high RAS individuals whose film doesn’t match and/or delivered low production or high upside low floor technical projects till we do.

Then in the aftermath of the draft we love them as here as if unrealized athletic potential is suddenly all we need. Bizarre and somewhat hard to credit. It is ill conceived in a way I can’t say if his other less successful drafts. I also think it suggests increasing complacency and over estimation.

We were not in a luxury pick position and our roster is not jam packed with depth or quality. Yet Gute drafted as if we were. Sure, we will get key players back, but the reality is, even if all are back for the season and 100% themselves, we will lose more this year.

There is a fallacy that we were the most injured. We really weren’t, we were mid pack by pretty much any measure. Winning teams have depth to overcome the inevitable as well as the luck to minimize it. I’m not sure about either and, crucially, this draft didn’t help very much and may not help much next year and beyond, at least away from CB.

Agreed we need a TE who is at least a very good blocker and capable of being a receiving threat. Without that Kraft can never really be cut loose.

Great news on Wyatt! I had missed that, thanks.

Maybe the Bears will trade or release Kmet. He would be a better tag team partner than Musgrave.

The needs we went into the draft with seemed to be DT, CB, a blocking capable TE, RB and Edge and some OL help at OT and IOL based on consensus fan posts.

Looking at what we drafted or signed as UDFA, we got no help at T or at TE (unless you count two UDFAs that are less TEs and more WRs even than Musgrave). I suppose that with the (better upside) MVS type in Sturdivant, one could see that as 3 big WRs that might replace the blocking WR we jettisoned mid last season, at least early on.

What that tells me is that the team think our OL depth, particularly at T is much stronger than most fans. Brant Banks and Glover last summer may be much more highly rated than we tend to assume. It also suggests they like at least a couple of the non C IOL we overlook. We in fact only took a bafflingly significant project at C inside, who may have tremendous athletic upside, but not necessarily more than UDFAs we brought in and is not much more ready than them either.

As a rusher we took a high effort guy who plays nothing like his testing. Slow first step, lacking bend or change in direction. His best trait is his long arms. Very little in the way of moves. A classic Gute type that’s not moved the needle. Enagbare was a 5th rounder and decent value, but now we are celebrating signing him in the 4th? Why, because of testing not film presumably.

At DT we signed a good player but not a NT. We traded up a good distance to get him. We arguably could have got Christian Miller with similar capital. He is a genuine NT who can disrupt as well. I would not have, but it would have at least made sense.

Instead we took a zero/one technique specialist. Mclellan is a good player, but he's not an elite run defender and he’s not going to win by leverage or explosion. An ideal second big man next to a multi down NT, but not the player most felt we needed or, for that matter, even more mass to move. We are going to try to force him to be what he wasn’t and perhaps never will be.

We did at least address speed and agility at CB. We did zero at blocking TE other than lip service and we did zero at RB. I suspect that with RB, they didn’t like many options and do like what they had more. I tend to think that they might be right, given LaFleur’s emphasis on protecting.

So here we all are celebrating a miscast McClellan, a second Hercules, a massive technical IOL project (who may get a real push from at least one UDFA potential C. All year we hear laments about projects over production and RAS over film. After Cisse, that’s essentially what this draft is made up of, with the seeming desperation overreach for the wrong kind of DT.

Celebrate away, because on paper it’s posdible if you forget all the lessons from last year or the failures of early picks. To me, CB aside (and maybe at kicker, which is a coin flip punt every time), this draft might well prove the worst of Gute’s tenure and his eventual undoing. We constantly hear about the futility (or worse) of drafting high RAS individuals whose film doesn’t match and/or delivered low production or high upside low floor technical projects till we do.

Then in the aftermath of the draft we love them as here as if unrealized athletic potential is suddenly all we need. Bizarre and somewhat hard to credit. It is ill conceived in a way I can’t say if his other less successful drafts. I also think it suggests increasing complacency and over estimation.

We were not in a luxury pick position and our roster is not jam packed with depth or quality. Yet Gute drafted as if we were. Sure, we will get key players back, but the reality is, even if all are back for the season and 100% themselves, we will lose more this year.

There is a fallacy that we were the most injured. We really weren’t, we were mid pack by pretty much any measure. Winning teams have depth to overcome the inevitable as well as the luck to minimize it. I’m not sure about either and, crucially, this draft didn’t help very much and may not help much next year and beyond, at least away from CB.

That was my core point Dobber - if the worst DDS does is clone Enagbare, the Packers will be okay with him as a fourth round value. I wouldn't have wanted that from a second round choice, but reasonable value as a fourth round choice. If he reaches more of his ceiling, all the better.

Obviously, I disagree with you profoundly on DDS, but I do hope you are right. Play on film over RAS or unrealized potential? The same with McClellan being able to become the player we picked him to be, not the (good) player I think he should be.

I've seen him use more than 2, very effectively. Obviously that's not in the NFL.

That’s what we heard of LVN, they just barely materialized and haven’t worked. If he hits his RAS he’s a steal twice over, but was that the kind of gamble that this team should have been making. I have been more bullish about the pre draft roster and depth than many, but not that bullish!

Agreed: Mosby's path to the 53 is as a core ST player. There's no room left at the inn for him, otherwise.

"I don't see any scenario where GB can come up with a valid reason to give LVN that much money"

Oh, I agree. I think they'd be better off declining the option and looking for a short-term extension. Add a year at a reduced rate compared to the 5th year option (similar to what they did with Watson and Love). If LVN balls out, they've got a bargain for an additional year. If they decline the option and LVN wants to bet on himself, he might win...he might lose.

It's like they got 3 second rounders 🍻

And solid successful teachers and mentors as your coaches makes tremendous difference.

Better performance through science!! ;)

Well 2 things DJ, A WR needs to be solid at 2 things, catching the ball and blocking. Moore is a very good and willing blocker so check that box. A WR also needs to have opportunities to catch the ball which Moore hasn't had for the last 2 years. His decline at WR began in KC where they wanted him to be a kick returner, which he had never done before, and he failed at that. After last years success in New York as a returner, it looks like he has acquired a new skill which is why GB found him attractive.

Moore didn't forget how to be a good WR, he was special in college. Teams can be very impatient with player development, hopefully GB can take advantage of KCs impatience.

A possible answer to GBs blocking TE problem might be blossoming in Dallas, our new favorite trade partner. The Cowboys are rumored to be ready to move on from Luke Schoonmaker, who was picked in the same round after Musgrave in the 2023 draft. Schoonmaker's best skill is blocking which GB really needs. Maybe a change of scenery trade for both TEs, or maybe GB could fill the hole at blocking TE with a 2027 7th round pick.

The Cowboys drafted a TE and signed a UDFA TE end so their room is overfull and they might even release Schoonmaker. We missed in the draft and still have the need, maybe our new buddies in Texas could help us out.