Let's Talk Football: Dominant defense, disappearing offense
Aaron chats with Andy Herman of the Pack-A-Day Podcast about the Packers 10-7 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
By PackerAaron
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Coldworld
November 11, 2025 at 04:03 pm
Let’s start talking about who should be taking over as Head Coach and when.
stockholder
November 11, 2025 at 05:05 pm
Why - you should be talking about Gute.
Try. The return on the team's most premium investments.
Cutting Banks and letting Jenkins go must happen.
Cap savings keeps those investments in GB.
Tundraboy
November 11, 2025 at 05:11 pm
Hopefully not for very long. This whole line needs to be fixed, put in place and left alone. no more of this rotating offensive line every year. Need to get a nasty Oline. The weapons deserve it. Every single play has been a struggle. oh and yes MLF needs to wake the hell up, he can't do both jobs well enough so he better come up with other solutions soon.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:16 pm
If Hafley has to become HC to keep him in GB, do that.
Since'75
November 11, 2025 at 04:33 pm
I think the biggest problem is the O line even w/Jenkins.
Now he's out for awhile which compounds the problem.
Rhyan comes in at center, and in case someone else gets injured, Belton is next up.
Say it isn't so!!
Games are won at the LOS.
I've always believed that.
So having all receivers on deck would be a huge help for Love, but Reed's status is still a secret, Tucker out, now Romeo Doubs injured (don't know how serious, if at all.
It doesn't look good.
The other thing is JJ averaging under 4 yards per carry. He's great in the red(green) zone. But seeing some 100 yard games from him would obviously help.
I see too many run stuffs on Jacobs this season.
1,300 yards rushing from him again seems unrealistic this season, but never say never i guess..
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Not trying to be negative, but those are my thoughts on offense.
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Defensively, they're ranked 5th in yards/g. also defensive scoring is under 20 PPG, very respectable.
On the surface, this is a Championship caliber defense so far.
Although i'd like to see Gary and Parsons start to get home again
No sacks, no QB hits against the Eagles.
Great punch out fumble by Cooper!!
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How bad was the first half?
Both teams combined....
7 punts, 2 fumbles, and a turnover on downs.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:22 pm
Hard to say Rhyan wasn't better at C than Jenkins. #8 certainly isn't the problem, block him up and he'll be fine.
Our pass rush harassed Hurts all game long, they're fine. The defensive effort from both teams was stellar, sorry you missed it.
A few drops from GB might have cost the W, impossible to know. Some of those were misses by JL moreso than drops by WRs, IMHO. All were severely pressured. How many plays used 6 O linemen?
Snap the ball
November 11, 2025 at 04:42 pm
Defense needs more turnovers and offense less turnovers
Defense is playing well. Still might need to step it up a notch
How can eagles new defender make impact plays right away
And we can’t get home for sacks
Why. Guty mistake on the o line. It’s that’s simple .. to many. Changes now Elton done for maybe the year .
Eagles have a o line that moves there feet and pushes forward they hold a lot also but doesn’t get called so they keep doing it
We couldn’t get home when Johnson went out of the game for 1/2 of it .
Hard to run an offense without a line playing well
If Myers stayed and we drafted up for Gray Zabel we would be 9-0
That’s a fact
Walker Jenkins Myers Zabel Tom. That’s Super Bowl bound
With Rhyan Belton Kendrick back up
And we would have had money to get a receiver or Db
Hats off to Walker Ryhan Jenkins Tom
Snap the ball
November 11, 2025 at 04:45 pm
I hope Ryhan gets a far sake coming weeks to sliltify his spot going forward
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:24 pm
O linemen always need to get sliltified
Houndog
November 12, 2025 at 07:02 am
Maybe that's the problem, SST
The Packers need to solidify the sliltifying process!
Who's responsible for that, the O-line coaches, the O/C, or MLF?
pantz_bURp
November 11, 2025 at 08:46 pm
SNP,
One time, I ate all the red M&Ms and far sake the rest.
PB
Snap the ball
November 12, 2025 at 05:24 am
Classic
Packerlifer
November 11, 2025 at 04:48 pm
The offenses struggles are fairly simple: The o-line, Matt LaFleur, Jordan Love, the Packers' receivers, the opposing defense. Only one of those reasons is beyond the Packers' control.
Josh Jacobs is the only guy who came to play and showed heart. Can't the Packers find 5-6 other guys on offense to do the same?
Starrbrite
November 11, 2025 at 05:32 pm
Right Lifer. Jacobs is a gritty—bust his a$$ player. I wish his all-effort to win would rub-off on his teammates.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:25 pm
This is the best 60 minute effort we've seen out of this team all season.
Leatherhead
November 11, 2025 at 05:25 pm
Let's see how the season plays out. We're still on pace for 10 wins. Obviously, we all agree we're going to have to fix an offense that's running like an engine with bad gas, and we're going to have to do it with what we have because a miracle isn't going to fall out of the sky.
What the offense does best, and most, is get the ball to Jacobs and Wilson. They have 242 of the 452 touches on the season, and they reliably return 4.5 yards every time they touch the ball. They don't turn it over. So, I'd ride them into the dirt, if possible.
Throwing? Doubs, Golden, Wicks, Watson, Musgrave? That doesn't say "Super Bowl" to me. But it also doesn't say "7 points" to me. This is what we have for the second half of the season, unless we get more injuries.
I think we're going to have to lean on the RBs, at least for a while.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:28 pm
How many snaps used 6 O linemen? I saw one, got amazingly open, drew a penalty from O lineman #6; did MLF really give up that easily?
Players negotiated not having to practice and getting to smoke weed. Might take a while before they can make the adjustment.
LeotisHarris
November 11, 2025 at 08:15 pm
What the NFLPA THC (weed) policy did was raise the threshold for a positive test, and create an offseason window when random THC testing is not conducted.
My guess, and I haven't been high in 40 years, is that players consume edibles for pain management. Not every players want to have three fingers of fine scotch or a 12-pack after the game, ya know?
Starrbrite
November 11, 2025 at 05:28 pm
I’m imagining what this defense would/could be if the offense would do their job. With a decent offense, the defense could let the dogs out; parsons would have 15 sacks.
cheesehead1
November 11, 2025 at 06:19 pm
We’ve lost 3 games by a total of 9 points. No excuses, good teams find a way. Certainly not all Loves fault, but he needs to come through in crunch time, great QB’s do. So far in his career he just hasn’t.
SicSemperTyrannis
November 11, 2025 at 06:29 pm
Can't evaluate him based on not getting any protection.
pantz_bURp
November 11, 2025 at 06:58 pm
If this is all gas, give me a break.
Injuries should be called outjuries.
Okay, as I sit here in the tub with an ample supply of bubble bath (oatmeal and sweet grass and cedar and black walnut)...I am trying to digest mentally what I saw on the tele last night. I don't recall two home games that left as bad as regurg flex in my mouth. [it's as if I'm a wolf female trying to regurgitate a meal for my 11 wolf pups.
I have always leaned into defense more than offense. I liked what I saw from that unit. The offense with a HC that is offense minded and struggled in back to back games. It was ugly (gnaw your arm off kinda ugly).
I have no answers, just thoughts and opinions. I am part owner, can't I call someone into my office and vent a little, even if it is only for my mental health and well-being and quality of life?
Shat, if I wasn't so damn good-looking with my 3 % body fat, I would be downright depressed and lost.
My GPG, might be Go ______ Go. On the field, out the door, Go ____ Go!
BMOC,
Burp
* so, to get my mind off the game...I am going to pay my respects and my thoughts to the 50th anniversary [yesterday] of the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald in Lake Superior.
LeotisHarris
November 11, 2025 at 07:53 pm
There's a lot of football left to be played, and while I have serious doubts about Coach LaFleur, I don't think a mid-season firing solves much. I'm old enough to remember when the 2022 Packers lost to the Giants in London in Brian Daboll's first season as HC. Our own Jersey Al wrote on this very site how the mighty Giants channeled the fiery nature of their new HC for the win, unlike the sheep-like Packers who were not lead to slaughter by the well-groomed MLF. Yesterday, Brian Daboll was lovingly set free by the Giants. I'm sure Giants fans experienced a feeling much like wetting your pants. We'll see what the G-Men have left in the tank without Daboll's fiery tent-peeking machismo to lead them.
The Giants and Jets have enjoyed firing a coach nearly every year for the last decade; 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2024, and now 2025. If having a wealthy owner to hold everyone accountable, including the GM and HC was the magic potion... well, never mind, it's the Mara's and Woody Johnson, so... anyway, then there's Jerry Jones, but I digress.
We have lost winnable games. The offense isn't playing well. Hafley goes from Elite Talent to Covet and Cherish to pinhead in a heartbeat. The OL appears to be more of a speedbump than anything else, and Jordan, oh boy, Jordan needs to get the ball out on rhythm and stack some success.
I suppose the rubber will meet the road while the sh*t hits the fan and the cream rises to the top. I'm not giving up on this team. GPG
Oppy
November 11, 2025 at 08:34 pm
They are literally 14 total points from being undefeated.
It's been ugly, but we've seen the ceiling and it's elite.
Plenty of room to turn this thing around.
Packers fans just love to hate their team.
pantz_bURp
November 11, 2025 at 08:41 pm
It's tough love Oppy. We still love our Packers.
It's all XXXOOO,
PB
pantz_bURp
November 11, 2025 at 08:36 pm
The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck!?
>^..^<
Snap the ball
November 12, 2025 at 05:29 am
We will win the division yet
Home playoff game vs 49ers or Seahawks
Then to Philly. Beat them this time
And go to Rams and beat them.
Then stay in California for the Super Bowl and beat the Bills
Houndog
November 12, 2025 at 07:20 am
Swinging for the fences, are we?
I guess you're counting on the Packers finding a way to clone Gray Zabel within the next few days.
Starrbrite
November 12, 2025 at 06:22 pm
I admire your optimism Snap.
Grand Mooster J
November 12, 2025 at 07:37 am
Dear Gentlemen, Speaking of a lack of aggression on offense, I recall the play the rookie Golden made in Cleveland. He caught a long ball near but not on the sideline and went promptly out of bounds. It looked like he cudda wudda shudda gone for a TD if he had 'put his foot in the ground' taken off. May you(se) enjoy a mellifluous continuance GMJ