5 Takeaways From Packers 23 - 10 Browns: Grant DuBose Has Arrived

DuBose staked his claim for not only a roster spot, but regular season playing time after an impressive display versus Cleveland.  

Grant DuBose has arrived

The battle for roster spots in the wide receiver room is hotting up, as 2023 seventh-round pick Grant DuBose staked his claim in the first pre-season game.

He ran crisp routes throughout the game and made an impressive athletic catch along the sidelines, evoking memories of Jared Cook’s grab versus Dallas in the 2016 playoffs as DuBose dragged his feet close to the sideline.

Perhaps more important to his chances of not only making the roster, but earning playing time during the regular season, was his work as a blocker. DuBose gave great effort all afternoon and had some impressive blocks.

These included staying engaged with his opponent far longer than he expected to need to after Bo Melton initially fumbled an end-around before regathering the ball, and later helping clear a lane for Emmanuel Wilson’s touchdown.

DuBose has more natural athleticism and pass catching upside than Malik Heath, who was the sixth and final receiver on last year’s depth chart, and now having shown he can be trusted to do the dirty work which Heath was often tasked with, DuBose looks to be in the process of moving ahead of him.

In truth, DuBose may be closer to Melton, who had a poor day by his standards, including multiple drops, than he is to Heath. Do not be surprised to see DuBose be active each week and play a cameo role in the regular season.

The Evan Williams camp hype is real

Evan Williams has received glowing reviews for his play in practice during his limited time in Green Bay so far, and based on Saturday’s performance, it is completely justified.

The rookie showed great instincts, effort, a willingness to tackle, and the ability to do it effectively with controlled aggression. His strong showing was rubber stamped with a forced fumble, which was then recovered by Kristian Welch for the Packers.

GM Brian Gutekunst completely remade the safety group during the offseason, and appears to have hit a home run.

Between Williams, free agent addition Xavier McKinney and second-round pick Javon Bullard, the Packers now have three versatile pieces on the back end who can play deep, down in the box, or in the case of Bullard and Williams, even at slot cornerback.

If Green Bay’s new crop of safeties can hit the ground running – as it seems they will – it should raise the ceiling for Jeff Hafley’s new defense considerably.

First look at Jeff Hafley’s defense

Speaking of Hafley; Packers fans got their first taste of the new defensive coordinator’s defense on Saturday, and while the vast majority of DC’s roll out vanilla coverage in the preseason so as not to give anything away to future opponents, there were some clear differences to the previous regime.

As expected, Hafley’s defense features a lot more ‘one deep’ safety looks, rather than the ‘two high’ safety alignments Joe Barry mostly deployed. In fact, the Packers played with only one deep safety on over 90% of the snaps versus the Browns.

Beyond the formation of the defense, there was a clear improvement in tackling, both in terms of effort and quality.

This has been helped by simply drafting players on the back end who want to tackle and are good at it, such as Williams, Bullard and Kalen King, but the entire team’s commitment to rallying to the football, and getting the ball-carrier to the ground in a physical fashion, was encouraging.

Green Bay’s front, unencumbered by Barry’s conservative system, was able to get off the ball and cause consistent problems for Cleveland. The Packers are deep both on the interior and the edge of their defensive line. Former first-rounders Devonte Wyatt and Lukas Van Ness were both particularly disruptive. 

Judgment needs to be reserved until the regular season of course, but it is hard not to be pleased by the early signs.

Backup offensive linemen are a work in progress

Green Bay’s starting offensive line is pretty much set, with the only remaining question being who will start at right guard between Jordan Morgan and Sean Rhyan, but behind the starters, there are plenty of backup spots up for grabs, and right now, it is anyone's guess who wins out.

Saturday offered an opportunity for Caleb Jones and Kadeem Telfort, who have been on the ‘Yosh Nijman Plan’, spending time learning before hopefully eventually developing into startable NFL offensive linemen, as well as rookie Jacob Monk and veterans Royce Newman and Andre Dillard.

The results were mixed. The offense was able to function, but all four linemen showed they still have areas to improve.

Jones and Telfort are massive human beings, the former laughably so, but the pair need to continue to work on their technique, as their hand placement is too often poor and opponents were regularly able to swipe them away for an easy win.

Dillard and Monk have plenty of athleticism, and Monk had some quality reps where he seamlessly mirrored and redirected opponents towards his help, but both players are susceptible to power.

Newman is still just Newman.

There is plenty of time for the depth chart to sort itself out, but right now the Packers are not blessed with reliable options after their top five linemen.

Love-Wicks

The only takeaway from the three snaps played by Jordan Love and the starting Green Bay offense was the 65-yard touchdown pass from the QB to receiver Dontayvion Wicks, which gave credence to the reports of Love's improved deep ball.

If Love can find a way to consistently hit on deeper passes, it will take the Packers offense to another level, especially given the threat posed by Christian Watson to take the top off a defense.

Wicks, who was tremendous in his limited snaps as a rookie, once again showed what he is capable of on the long touchdown reception, and the fight for playing time among Green Bay’s receivers is real.

Romeo Doubs has enjoyed an excellent training camp so far, and at least early in the season is likely to be a starter alongside Watson and Jayden Reed, but the coaching staff should not forget to give Wicks his share; he might be the best pure receiver on the roster.

 

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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres

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splitpea1's picture

August 12, 2024 at 11:38 am

Evan Willams: Finally a safety who means business out there, very encouraging. We're just getting started here, but everyone should be looking forward to and expecting better tackling from this brand new safety unit. It will make a big difference.

I don't think think we have to worry about the coaching staff or Love forgetting to give Wicks his opportunities; he's already one of the best separators in his young NFL career.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 12, 2024 at 03:34 pm

AJJ also showed some physicality on a couple plays. Between the two of them it might have been more than we saw during the whole regular season last year.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 11:43 am

“Green Bay’s starting offensive line is pretty much set, with the only remaining question being who will start at right guard between Jordan Morgan and Sean Rhyan, but behind the starters, there are plenty of backup spots up for grabs, and right now, it is anyone's guess who wins out.”

Are you announcing Rhyan as C and moving Morgan to RT? If so I think you are mistaken. Morgan looks like he is first choice RG, unless the shoulder lingers. Rhyan looks like the IOL swing C/G.

As to how far this team can go, it’s way too early to tell. Preseasons as a whole can be wildly inaccurate predictors. If I had to say anything right now, as far as our IOL can take us if everyone stays healthy. To succeed we need to have a consistent ground game and that means run blocking not just protecting the QB or expecting a RB to. Can we? That and the Hadley D proving viable in season.

Telfort is a big man, but he’s not a mobile one. He was poor against vanilla D and has been trounced by speed in camp. Jones should now be up to speed and his mobility is greater, as shown on Saturday. He’s a force in the run game and that too shows an ability to move. If we have a back up worthy of the name, it’s either Dillard or Jones at this point. Dillard is a guy a bit like Newman: falls apart when Ds stint and motion. Beware reading too much into his ability to cope in preseason, as his last team learned at great cost. Glover did do some good things late, but it looks like they are redoing his technique as a long term project. 2 more games to find out.

If Dubose does make the roster (I think likely) if all are healthy he’s likely in the Heath role. A few snaps in most games. Obviously that would increase with injuries, to Watson or Wicks in particular. To me, the potentially more significant performance was Wilson’s. If that continues, Wilson could find himself part of the game plan whereas most had him off the roster.

The more I look, the other potential arrival as depth could be Rochell. That was a pretty impressive performance. I’d have to say Mosby might have a shout at a surprise too. This is why non starter football is fun to watch, just not so much for the game result.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 12, 2024 at 12:44 pm

Dubose lived up to the camp chatter from his coaches and teammates. He's is in the mix to earn the 5th spot after Doubs, Watson, Reed and Wicks.

Heath and Melton have work to do if Dubose continues to make plays with his blocking, sublime route running and hands of glue.

Heath is such a force in his blocking...and has good hands and is good on contested catches. Yet he does not separate on his routes making him a risky target as Love goes through his reads.

Melton has elite speed. But elite speed in football is like Wisdom...it is useless if not used. Have to catch the ball and not fumble.

The OL is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. The starting 5 is solid. The weak link is Myers but I do believe his run blocking will improve with Jenks and Morgan as his wingmen.

The depth is weak right now. Huge work in progress. Dillard taking over for Walker or Tom? I think he's another liability. None of the other 3 big veteran Ts has stepped up. Maybe Caleb The Giant will.

And at G...again it is "hello....Neeeeeeewman!" Geez! I did see Monk taking a lot of reps...maybe he ascends. Rhyan...year 3 and is still a JAG.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 01:06 pm

Melton has done it for real and more than once. Dubose is at best the third X behind Watson and Wicks and 3/4 big slot because one adds in Musgrave and possibly might limit Watson. He’s not displacing any of those. He’d not the biggest, not the fastest and not the best route runner (sublime was hyperbole) but he is making plays. Melton had made plays, is a true slot, which only Reed and perhaps Toure could claim and represents the only elite speed outside Watson.

The two are not fungible. Context is everything, but Dubose only makes this team if he’s deemed more valuable than Heath. Melton makes this team or Toure does, as the slot reserve and jack-of all-trades on game day. Fortunately for Dubose, I think he blocks well enough and is physical enough that his undoubted upside over Heath seals the deal. I suspect Melton beats out Toure too. Both get at best situational usage until the inevitable injuries hit. Then they get the chance to shake things up as Melton did last year.

Rhyan had his best game as a Packer on Saturday by some way. Unexpectedly a lot of that came at C, while Monk showed some signs, but particularly at G. Caleb Jones and Rhyan were significant benefits to the run game and held up pretty well against the pass, albeit later in the game in Jones’ case.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 12, 2024 at 02:17 pm

Packers tend to keep the best WRs on the 53 and not the best "role players", especially with the flexibility of the PS rules. I don't believe they select based on subsets between Dubose vs Heath, Melton vs Toure. Perhaps they do.

I do not talent is fungible (IE exposing players to the waiver wire).

I like Melton however he was not deemed one of the best WRs last season until elevated from the PS due to injuries in late November, then cut back to the PS. He was elevated the last two weeks of the season and had a great game vs MN, had two receptions in the Playoffs, one a TD reception. Yes, Melton has done it for real...a couple of times.

My view is Melton's poor showing Saturday (5 targets, 4 drops, fumble) does not erase last year, yet. But had Dubose not been on IR last season, would Bo have had even the limited opportunities to "show" last year?

All fun speculation. Bo needs to show the next two games like he did during games 16 & 17 last year. Meanwhile DuBose seems ready to go. Great competition!

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 05:08 pm

I don’t really see Melton as a role player but as slot depth and a situational speed resource, as I thought I’d explained. I do see Heath as most definitely a role player last year. They kept Heath and they kept Toure in the role Melton supplanted him in, so I’m not really seeing your contention. The difference this year is that I foresee DuBose over Heath and Melton over Toure. One reason for that is that DuBose can do more than just fulfill a role if needed. However, we’ve 2 games left and 2 chances for health or performance to change things.

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Oppy's picture

August 12, 2024 at 07:02 pm

"Rhyan...year 3 and is still a JAG."

I dunno.. Rhyan is a plus run blocker. He's just not a plus pass protector.
Maybe you're right, those cancel out and make him JAG, but if he could put together an improved pass set, he could be a real asset.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 12, 2024 at 01:52 pm

"Between Morgan and Rhyan at RG "simply means which of them will start at RG.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 12, 2024 at 03:43 pm

Not that I have much faith in their grades anymore but PFF gave Tenuta the highest grade of the 4 giants by a wide margin, followed by Glover and Jones with Telfort way in the rear.

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dblbogey's picture

August 12, 2024 at 04:13 pm

I have just two worries. What happens when one of the starting tackles goes down? It doesn't sound like we have even a mediocre swing tackle at this point. Morgan could probably slide out and be solid, but he hasn't had much work at tackle, and you weaken you interior. I think the lack of a swing tackle could bite us. Worry #2 - will we have a competent field goal kicker?

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GregC's picture

August 12, 2024 at 04:58 pm

Those are legitimate worries. There is still time for the swing tackle issue to be resolved though. If none of the current backup OTs can be trusted, they may be able to go with Jordan Morgan as you suggest. But their ace in the hole is Elgton Jenkins, who is actually quite a good swing tackle. Of course this means they need to put in a new guard, but Sean Rhyan looks like a reasonable option. They are at least six deep on the O-line right now. They need a couple more players to step up so they can at least be eight deep. Jacob Monk? Caleb Jones?

I hope they go with Greg Joseph at kicker, as long as he continues to kick well. His kicks appear to be going straighter than Anders Carlson's, and with a little more power.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 05:15 pm

Didn’t Tenuta exclusively play G? He’d not been good at all at T in camp and has been at G with the thirds. Tenuta came on for the end of the game, with Glover, so it’s possible that I just wasn’t paying much attention. I did watch Glover, who showed some flashes. It looks to me like he’s having a technique rebuild. I think Jones played left late in the game, having started at right.

I think that is Telfort’s best fit as well. We’ve all discussed whether guys that tall can successfully play G. If they can, Tenuta and Telfort profile better when not in space for every reason other than height.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 12, 2024 at 12:57 pm

The Defense was fun to watch! Very pleased to see Wyatt and Van Ness just dominating and dictating to the Offense. Wooden showed up too.

Loved how the LBs are coached to play. Instead of standing still at the snap, then reacting...they are exploding off it and reading on the go.

The DBs are a different group this year...from a decided weakness to challenging the DL as the strength of the Defense.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 05:22 pm

Wooden was PFF’s highest rated D lineman (76.1), crediting him with a sack, two pressures and two stops against the run. I’d say he had a pretty good outing.

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HarryHodag's picture

August 12, 2024 at 01:14 pm

The tackling was so much better than the Joe B. years. I always wondered why Joe B. wasn't held accountable for that lousy tacking over the years.
While both GB and Cleveland played backups, the Packers seemed so much more able to carry the game plan.

One preseason game does not make a season, but I like the attitude and aggressiveness on defense. The offense will always trail the defense during this time of the year.. I did like how the 2-3 team offensive line opened huge holes in the second half.

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LLCHESTY's picture

August 12, 2024 at 03:46 pm

The tackling actually was really good in the preseason last year, probably because everything is simplified in these games. I remember Baldinger talking about aggressive they looked with everyone flowing to the ball.

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ricky's picture

August 12, 2024 at 02:38 pm

Pass rush is important. But so is stopping the run, and having linebackers who can cover opponents coming out of the backfield and TE's. Is there any indication the Packers have solved this problem? In short, are the defensive LBers capable of not only clogging running lanes, but doing coverage duty when needed?

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 05:29 pm

The Browns had a long of 9 and an overall average of 4.4 yards per attempt, including passes. Either we were very good or they weren’t really trying. Given their absentees, I don’t know how much of a test that was really.

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BruceC1960's picture

August 12, 2024 at 04:36 pm

Would you take a 1 or 2 for Watson right now? Obviously need to see more from DuBose, but WR room is loaded. If Watson has a big year, he’ll want big $$. Don’t think the Packers Will pay big $$ for a WR. If he has an injury plagued year, poor production or disappears for long periods his value will drop. Watson is a unique athlete, but we have lots of athleticism right now. Just a thought.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 05:31 pm

Do you think he could get a 1or 2 now? If he did some other team would certainly have to believe in him. If so, why wouldn’t we?

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BruceC1960's picture

August 12, 2024 at 08:28 pm

49ers asking for 2 #1s for Ayuik?

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Coldworld's picture

August 13, 2024 at 07:50 am

Ayuik is established, so surely a different proposition? They also have yet to get that, perhaps unsurprisingly, since the 49ers don’t seem eager to trade him. Thats a price they know they likely won’t get and a negotiating ploy with both him and suitors.

Ayuik wants 28-30 million per year too and a long term deal and is holding out for it. Reportedly he and the 49ers are negotiating again. The cited trade price has to be looked at through the lens of that context.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

August 14, 2024 at 04:59 am

I would accept a first from a bad team. For example, I'd take Carolina's first round pick, thus betting against Bryce Young being good. [I guess this could age badly, since predicting how good a team will be in the future is fraught with danger.] 5th pick? Yes. 25th pick? No. I would not be thrilled if through miscalculation the pick turned out to be 16th, for that matter, but c'est la vie in that case.

Watson has no fifth year option. The franchise tag for WRs in 2025 is projected to be $22M (currently 15th highest in the NFL) to $24M (currently 10th highest paid Wr). Of course, Watson would not be tagged until 2026.

I think a healthy Watson could be worth $20 something million while giving us strong #1 WR play for the next 6 or 7 years. I do not think a healthy Watson would be a bad or just mediocre player. The only thing is health. Short of a trade offers that wows, I would just keep Watson.

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Swisch's picture

August 12, 2024 at 06:21 pm

Interesting thoughts, BruceC1960.
I truly want to keep Watson -- but, as is so often the case these days, it's about the contract.
If Watson does have a big year, I can't see paying him $30 million or so per season going forward, and for three reasons: (1) the questionableness of his health; (2) the several other promising receivers already on the roster for the Packers; (3) my reluctance to spend so much of the salary cap on any wide receiver.
So, I would be open to trading Watson for a first or second round pick -- which we could use on another wide receiver, or to further strengthen the offensive line.
I hate that it comes down to contract, but that seems to be the hard reality of the situation in the NFL these days.
We might as well be honest about it, talk with Watson about what he would want in his next contract, and move on from him if he wants to break the bank for himself.
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Sadly, Jordan Love with his holdout set the tone for the young Packers to get as much as they can without regard for what money is left over to pay the other players.
Instead of all for one and one for all, it's every player for himself.
No evidence of taking a little less so my teammates can all get a little more, and so the total roster is more likely to be more talented for more victories.
Apparently no regard for the value being a Green Bay Packer as the greatest franchise in NFL history, and one that is usually among the best teams in the league in recent years -- and that such is worth taking at least a little less in salary.
With the consideration that some of these player salaries are become extreme, if not obscene, I'm bummed out by the greed by players even with regard to not looking out for their teammates; and I'm also bummed out when fans accept greed as good.
With all of the cheap talk and empty gestures about social justice in the NFL -- which is basically a slap in the face to fans, by in effect calling us racists -- the NFL doesn't actually seem to make many sacrifices or to do anything worthwhile for anyone of any color.
The elites of the NFL live in splendor and seem little concerned about more and more of their fans living in squalor.
By the way, how much does a beer and a brat go for at Lambeau Field this season?
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P.S. If Bo Melton is the only comparable wide receiver with the Packers as far as speed for going deep, then his value would go up if we have to move on from Watson.
Then again, would he be reasonable for his second contract?

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Bitternotsour's picture

August 12, 2024 at 07:33 pm

This isn't Watson's contract year. That's next year. Why on earth would you trade someone who is on their rookie contract and who is an athletic freak show. If he plays out his contract and plays well at a minimum he'll bring a fairly high 3rd round compensatory pick.

None of this comes down to contract. Lots of teams have a highly paid #1 receiver and a highly paid #1 quarterback (see for example Miami). You're a fan, don't worry about contracts, they're beyond your pay grade.

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Oppy's picture

August 12, 2024 at 06:56 pm

If you start moving players because you're afraid they could be so good that they'll get paid more money, you'll end up with a roster of players that you aren't afraid of developing into very good players.

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Swisch's picture

August 12, 2024 at 07:26 pm

You've got a good point, Oppy, but I'm not advocating for that.
It seems necessary to take it on a player-by-player basis, as well as looking at the current strength of the position.
To take it from another angle, it doesn't seem as though a team in the NFL these days can afford to pay three superstars (which may be what the Cowboys are going through right now).
So, to manage a salary cap that allows for a talented roster all around, it may involve looking ahead a year or two to determine who to sign and who not to sign.
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It would be kind of funny if fans are concerned about A.J. Dillon's contract for (what I understand is) $2.5 million this season as a consideration for whether to keep Dillon or not.
Compared to Love getting $55 million per season for the next four seasons, it would be sad to be cheaping out with other players.
Whether or not Dillon stays should not have anything to do with his salary.

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Oppy's picture

August 12, 2024 at 09:56 pm

The right time to deal with a player who you can't afford to sign to a contract extension is when his current contract expires. Simply put, if you can't afford to resign him, you let him go in free agency.

If a player is "outplaying" his rookie contract, why on earth would you trade him away because you think you won't be able to afford his next contract? You're literally getting top return on investment during that rookie contract. It makes zero sense to me to talk about moving a player who you think is going to break out in such a fashion that you don't think you would be able to afford his next contract- in order to make room to keep what would normally be the 7th WR on the depth chart. That's crazy.

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ricky's picture

August 13, 2024 at 12:17 am

Even if Watson were to have two good years, the team will not pay him upwards of $30 million a year. That is reserved for players who have proven their worth in multiple seasons. Besides, if Love spreads the ball around, as expected, the term "#1 receiver" will have less meaning than it did with Adams, or it does with Hill in Miami or Jefferson in Minnesota. Notice that the 49er's are looking more likely to move Aiyuk, who has had several outstanding seasons. They are doing this at least in part because they need to keep their core players happy, and they're going to have to pay Purdy over $50 million a year to keep him around. Even with the salary cap increasing, there is only so much money, and giving two or three players 30% of the cap is not a great business model for a winning program.

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BruceC1960's picture

August 12, 2024 at 08:33 pm

I wouldn’t suggest it if we didn’t already have quality WR depth. Wouldn’t even consider the idea with QB or O-line.

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Oppy's picture

August 12, 2024 at 10:11 pm

Being concerned about not being able to pay the price it takes to keep premier talent is, as they as, a good problem to have.

There's no crystal balls available. a "deep" WR corps today could become perilously thin tomorrow due to key injuries, regression, etc.

Watson is affordable on his rookie contract. It makes no sense to me to try to get rid of an asset you seem to think will become unaffordable due to his playing prowess... while you can actually afford him.

Let the talent play out the contracts you can afford. When the contract is due to expire, who knows what the landscape looks like. Hell, the player might even take less to stay where he is. If the player can't be afforded, you let him go in free agency and take the comp pick.

Trading a known commodity for an unknown gamble (draft picks) because you *might* not be able to afford him two years down the road.. well, there's a saying about a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and I think that applies mightily to this scenario.

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Oppy's picture

August 12, 2024 at 06:54 pm

Let's stop effing around and put the U71 (+1) Package back out on the field in 2024..
Declare Caleb Jones as an eligible receiver and get him out there in 12 personnel with Kraft and Jacobs in the backfield, Watson and either Doubs or Wicks flanking.

You've got a road grader formation with Caleb Jones and Kraft lined up tight, Josh Jacobs who excels at producing yards after contact. Watson is a big body who is capable of blocking and keeps the defense honest down the field. Doubs can catch in traffic and Wicks is a complete receiver; both are big enough and have both the temperament and the will to block down field, either one will fit the bill. Kraft is also a deceptively athletic target, too.

U72 for the win. Stuff it down their throats until they think they can stop it, then take them to task with play action over the top.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 07:59 pm

It was fun to watch Jones create road kill at times on Saturday. That would be fun and he would seem to have the movement necessary.

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KKB's picture

August 12, 2024 at 07:09 pm

PLEASE - no Dillard or Newman.
Even if they appear better right now (barely) - these are both players who have NO upside.
I would rather keep someone (anyone) that still has a chance to develop into something more.

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Coldworld's picture

August 12, 2024 at 08:00 pm

The first stunt or overload and either might explode, or Love behind them.

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