Thank you. It seems most sports enthusiasts who call-in to talk shows and read and, pardon, write sports blogs and in forums want change for change's sake. Maybe it's nervous energy met with a little obsession.

I agree. But unless they go deep into the playoffs I don’t support massive extensions either. There have been too many unforced errors in 24 and 25. If Matt and Brian won’t take a one year extension, then you let them play out the last year of their deals and reevaluate at this time next year.

I think MLF is a decent HC, my only problem with him is I don’t think he holds his players and assistants accountable. That leads to a lot of mistakes and slightly above average seasons.

I think Gutekunst has done a pretty good job signing free agents, but really, teams sign free agents to fill holes they created by not drafting well. And they end up paying the free agents 10-20 times more than they would be paying drafted players.

Fireable offenses? Probably not, but it would be nice to see good football in Green Bay again.

100% agree! It’s not just the volume of injuries but the caliber of players that have had long term or season ending injuries. To have any chance of possible success in the playoffs, they must rest and protect as many starters as possible next week in a meaningless game against the Vikings.

GB spent big money bringing in the LAST piece (PARSONS) needed for a SB run....Yet we have a couple CB's that are back-ups on most winning NFL teams and a DL (Wyatt) that has missed a bunch of time at GB and no other starting NFL DL to go with him. Garys sack numbers are in a tailspin...so we effectively with Parsons injury have no NFL starting level DE's nor any DL that would start on a NFL team and CB group same. That is ALL GUTE.

Not using Kraft to the level a top 3 NFL TE1 is all ML. Picking Kraft was a great pick by Gute....so....there are good and really bad going on here. ML also has not made even a minimal effort to get the 1st round pick WR Golden the ball nearly enough as he has the best hands on the team....another baffling ML error. A 1 year contract to fix these major roster deficiencies and using the best personnel you have to a greater degree, even if you need to design a few plays for them specifically is needed by ML.....Then the Prez can sit back and check off the boxes as the GM and ML execute what is required of them....I have always thought the teams with the best DL will have the better back-ups and that is where I would probably start to build off others rosters....same with any strong position a team has...

I'm sure there are at least 18 other teams' fan bases having this conversation right now.

Rather than directly discussing the pros and cons of starting over with new coaches and GM maybe we should start by looking at the root causes, some of which were pointed out by Bruce. Then decide what should be done moving forward.

Injuries can be listed under bad luck, but season after season there has to be a reason for that bad luck to keep returning to the same team. Do good teams have ways to play around injuries? Have the most important parts of the team been built with the depth required after finding what injuries are most likely and have the most effect season after season?

Bruce mentioned a few games lost to last second field goals and missed field goals. Isn't that what happens to a team that doesn't put its opponent away? Isn't that another way of saying you weren't good enough season after season?

Finally someone talking sense.

Replace a coach who won the NFC North back in 2021? Really?

Replace a GM who 11 months ago, after the Pack finished 11-6 and with the 7th seed, declared the urgency needed to be ramped up & the team needed to start playing for championships and then added Aaron Banks, Nate Hobbs, Matthew Golden and traded away the team’s 2026 & 2027 1st round picks so the team could (checks standings) corral another 7th seed?

Unthinkable that some bad fans question whether MLF going into his 8th year and Gutey going into his 9th year can lead the Pack to a Super Bowl?

What evidence other than the last 7/8 years of performance do the bad fans have to support their ridiculous position?

If you are in leadership, and you do not see the problems and identify how to correct them, THEN YOU ARE THE problem. So if I were Policy, I would evaluate whether the people who I evaluate are aware of, and are taking steps, to correct their own weaknesses / deficiencies.

Coaching: To me Lafleur's biggest deficiency is that he allows mediocre assistants too long to improve their processes. Special teams is a chronic issue and its lost this team games well before the injuries started to pile up. What is the plan to correct this recurring problem? The other chronic problem to me is the offensive line. Young players do not develop, and they are put slap-dash into new positions where they flounder and likely lose confidence. Some guys can do position switching (Jenkins, Tom), and some guys can't (i.e., Morgan). The other deficiency for Lafleur is his insistence on calling plays--But they might as well just fire him because he will never give that up.

Gute: Number one thing I would change is his enamor with long arms and fast running over freaking football instincts. We moved up to get LVN (i.e., Hercules) with Will McDonald still on the board. Not the fastest guy but he has 22 sacks since the draft to LVN's 8 sacks. There are many, many examples of this philosophy of Gute's turning 2nd days picks into 1st day picks (See Walker, Quay). I also think the above feeds into Gute's bewildering tendency to allow future needed positions to go unfilled. But one thing about drafting, I think Gute has gotten better. Ironically, after Hobbs and Banks his free agency hires seem to have gotten worse.

Maybe these aren't issue with this organization, I'm just another shmoo on the internet, but this is how you approach making an organization better.

I don't need to read this article to know what I see. A team that plays down to weak opponents, makes tons of mistakes that don't get corrected, underperforming veteran play, bad decisions on coaches, players,poor clock management and end of half/game strategy, on and on. MLF is a decent OC and playcaller, but he's getting outcoached and sometimes manhandled in too many games.

Finally an article with some common sense instead of the oh me oh my - lets start over again. Oh ya that is the Jets - Cleveland .

Now I do think that some accountability is required. For example how long are we going to have Oline problems without looking at those doing the Oline training - Stenavich -Butkus et al. Maybe a change is there. Also Special teams - we lost a game in Cleveland due to a special teams blunder. And we have overpaid according to results.

As far as the upcoming game - it will be a good test - not for our defense - although it might help if Ford can play to help jam the middle - and Vikes have QB issues. But they are one of the best defenses - so dont expect us to score at will. I still like us to win - but it just needs to be a high end practice type of game - to fix our OLine snaps etc and to get our Defense adjusted with the missing pieces. And dont forget Addision can take it to the house in a moment - like he did to kill the Lions ( thankfully for us).

Nonsense. This season they may have had more of an excuse than the others due to injuries, but the bottom line is this team can never manage to get over the hump and into the Super Bowl with Gute, MLF, and their perennially bad special teams. The Packers have not been playing at an "elite level" the last three games, so that's just a flat out falsehood.

It's not that Gute and MLF have been bad stewards, but they haven't been elite, either. Good (or maybe adequate), but not great. Bisaccia? What was the point? I'd drive him down to the nearest Greyhound bus stop and give him a bag of peanuts for his contribution to the organization.

Has the author noticed that the 49ers lost their best defensive player (4x All-Pro Fred Warner) for the season, their starting QB for half the season, and also don't have much of a pass rush? And yet their still playing for the #1 seed in another very competitive division.

So if you want to give the green light to the status quo, then hold no one accountable, fire no one, and blithely give big extensions and raises to all parties involved. Nothing will change.

Nothing proves to me more that you don't understand this game than calling for a head coaches job when he has the team outperforming itself. Most teams would be out of the playoffs having to deal with this many injuries but the team right up until end had a shot at the division and the #1 seed of the playoffs. The backup QB comes in and plays just as well as the starter, that right there is a sign you have a very good coach. Wait to next year and you see Willis in another system, he won't be looking as good. I also think if you fire MLF you will see a huge drop off in Love's play as well. MLF knows how to mask the limitations of these QBs and make them look like pro-bowlers. Packers would go a long time looking for a better coach and will start to look like a dysfunctional franchise to fire the coaching staff here.

Talent that is flawless. - Follow the money Mr. Irons.

Gute spent money on the OL.
He ignored his picks with Banks'.
Screwing up a OL that was full
of nursing players, Penalties, and can't
to this day, blow anybody back on a 4th and 1.

Next ignoring the DT position.
Sure young bodies pass the eye ball test.
But Wyatt never lite the barn on fire.
DTs Ignored for too long and let three starters go.

Next a secondary that was over-drafted
and a revolving door that never could tackle.
Sure he finally caught some breaks.
But sacrificing the trench in the process.

Lbs. - OLBs turned ILBs.

Special Teams- From a kicking carousel to
waiting for the obvious?

QB- Love bought Gute time.

But when the rest of the league caught you.
Your still praising the wrong person.

In the last 6 years only six teams have played in the SB.

KC, PHL, SF, TB, CIN & Rams. All of those teams are better at Drafting & Developing Talent.

Some of those may have only had a couple of Stellar Drafts and some in my opinion (KC, PHL & SF) have been consistently much better than we have. Is this a GM issue or Coach or both?

I think it’s time to let Average Gute go.

Most of GB media has already signaled the return of Gute which is a failure to hold to account the very man who chose too many questionable players and systematically weakened the team, esp. the OL, DL and CB room. There is a level of spin control that requires a fan to suspend logic and judgement which I find confusing and exhausting I feel MLF needs to go as well. All of this mismanagement stems from Murphy's power grab in 2018 and the Brain Trust doesn't wish to change.--that's all. They are super comfy in their big leather chairs interacting with each other on the football committee, scratching each other's backs, getting paid big bucks, drinking Scotch by the fire and making certain the seats are filled just enough and the revenue high.

I know, as a 20+ year fan, that I have been hugely frustrated by the repeated promises made by this team in the last 8 years. Team does not resemble the team I signed up with 20 years ago. I am actually bored and tired of the lack of honest evaluation of the GM/HC/players. If Gute is re-signed, I will leave because I don't want to invest 4 more years in more of the same. If Hafley leaves, I will likely follow him as I continue to love football. It's not easy to leave a team as there are many attachments.

Let’s just accept for the sake of argument that Matt Lafleur is an idiot, a mediocrity and a loser. (Did i get that right?). Now, how did a mediocre idiot loser ever become coach in the first place? He must have pulled the wool over Murf’s eyes.

For Murf to have been fooled by the likes of Lafleur suggests that he himself was a grade A dunce as well as the evil genius you all have made him out to be. Murf is gone now, but how astute can the hand picked successor to a dolt be? He’s likely to be just as clueless and hire some coach du jour who is every bit as incompetent and pusillanimous as Lafleur.

Drink up folks, it’s hopeless. Prosit!

I guess I'll throw my .02 in here regarding the upcoming firing v extensions coming up during the upcoming offseason.

Personally, I feel Gute is probably safe. Regardless of all the naysayers, this team has better than average talent. Is there an NFCN team with better overall talent? If so, as they say in Missouri, show me.

MLF is a little murkier for me. Yes, he has the stellar overall regular season record...76-39-1, although the bulk of that was accomplished his first 3 years. Playoffs, not so much...3-5. How many signature wins has he had the last 3-4 years? Dallas in the '23 playoffs? I'm sure there are others, but none come to mind immediately.

I feel he has a below average staff, which falls on him obviously. And his in-game decisions, clock management, challenges, etc all have been questionable. Prime example, going for it on 4th and 1 on his own 35. Not all 4th and 1 situations are the same. It's one thing to go for it on the opponents 35, where if you miss, a field goal is still an option if you fail. On your own 35, which I totally disagreed with anyway, is a hell of a risk. At least come up with something imaginative that the opponent isn't expecting. But instead a predictable run up the gut with a less than healthy Jacobs? And their red-zone play calling has been atrocious.

If they are going to extend Matt, which I have mixed feelings about. I would hope it would come with conditions. Mainly that he overhauls his staff, including Steno and Rich B., along with several position coaches.

One thing to keep in mind. If the league hadn't expanded the playoff rosters to 7 teams, GB's last playoff appearance would have been in 2021.

If I had my druthers, I would keep Gute, give him full GM responsibilities, including who he wants as HC. If it's LaFleur, so be it. If not, let him pick his successor.

I’m with ‘13 on MLF concerning signature wins—where are they?

You changed my mind about Biscaccia

I'm confused. After 6, 7 , 8 years of Gute and Lafleur I think we have a good idea of their respective ceilings. Now why are we thinking that if we replace both of them. We would get what the Jets have. Over the last 30 years our GM and HC searches have worked out pretty well. I would like the Packers to be better than backing into the #7 seed.

I grew up watching the Packers in the 70s and 80s. Back then it was fun to see them almost make the playoffs, or occasionally beat the Bears. In December you could get free tickets to any home game. Especially if it was the 3-12 Lions vs the 3-12 Pack. I will take MLF over Gregg, Infanty, or Starr(as headcoach!) everyday. Be careful what you wish for.

I think that we need to see how this season ends before we determine what should happen to Gute and MLF.

If the team finishes the season 0-5 I think that Ed Policy needs to seriously consider hiring a new GM. Then let the new GM decide what happens with MLF and the coaching staff. At the least Policy should return the Packers to their previous organization structure and put Gute or a new GM in charge of all football operations like most other NFL franchises have done.

As for MLF if the Packers finish the season 0-5 I think it will be time to move on. Seven seasons as the HC with the last 3 seasons as the 7th seed only because the league changed the playoff format. What message does it send to the players about what is acceptable for the team's accomplishments? But let's see what happens over the next 2 games.

I have posted for years here at CHTV that beyond the above we need to remember and consider that the Packers are a Non-Profit organization. This means that the Board is focused on 2 major priorities. First revenue stream which is covered for the Packers by the NFL revenue sharing and the fact that the stadium is sold out for about 20 years or more. The second is preventing any major public relations scandals. Those 2 facts facts drive non-profit organizations and either enable them to survive or determine their downfall.

The Packers board is likely fine that they have a solid, steady revenue stream and a scandal free organization. From what I know of the Board members they are either local or regional business people who are happy to be a part of the Packers history and tradition and who are satisfied having an NFL playoff team regardless of how far the team goes in the playoffs. They are not accountable to their shareholders or their employees or the fans. Therefore we get to a root cause of the Packers seasonal malaise, specifically lack of accountability. It's pervasive throughout the organization all the way down to the players on the field.
It's been nearly 60 years since the end of the Lombardi era and the Packers have claimed 2 league championships. Hardly a reason that supports the Titletown moniker which the Packers and Green Bay once proudly and appropriately earned.

I'm glad that the Packers are a fan owned team rather than a team owned by some narcissistic owner. It's a major reason why I have remained a long distance fan all these years. However I do not support the lack of management or accountability which seems to permeate throughout the organization to the point where it impacts the results on the field.

Having said that let's see how the season ends and what Ed Policy decides to do based on the final results. But IMO changes should not be ruled out for the sake of maintaining the status quo and hoping things will get better next season or the next or the next. Thanks, Since '61

Thanks Since'61, I think this assessment is spot on.

Since the Ron Wolf era began in 1991 (34 years ago) – the Packers have won just 2 Super Bowls. With Wolf winning one and Ted Thompson the other. While the other Packers GMs - Mike Sherman and Brian Gutekunst – having combined for 12 seasons – with 0.

Furthermore, other graduates from Ron Wolf U. - namely John Dorsey, Reggie McKenzie and Elliot Wolf – who became NFL GMs - in 15 seasons (combined) – have 0 Super Bowl Championships. So totaling both the internal and external GMs from the Wolf line – in 49 seasons have produced 2 SB Championships.

In horse racing – bloodlines often determines Champions. When analyzing the Wolf (blood)line / management tree since 1991 – it is clear that while it can produce good teams – it does not produce Super Bowl Champions. Providing only a 4% probability (and decreasing).

If the GBP are truly serious about winning SBs – then they must look beyond even the Coach and GM – to the actual philosophy and paradigm of creating a Championship team. If so, then wholesale and fundamental changes will be necessary - that will require the import of new thinking and personnel.. Thus initiating a new era.

In a few weeks - Packer fans will discover whether Ed Policy will continue the conservative management style that will support the status quo. Or the bold leadership to challenge it. Unfortunately, Packers history has shown that it is more likely to be the former than the latter.

I think Packer fans have become spoiled. We accept as a right our team being in the playoffs and competing for championships year after year. Packer fans tend to think that changing the GM / HC will automatically lead to upgrades. Nothing is ever guaranteed look at the Lions this year, Tampa Bay could easily miss the playoffs this year despite playing in a weak division. We have been fortunate to have these 2 leading our organization. They both are highly ranked for the jobs they've done in numerous polls. They are not perfect. I don't like many of LaFleaur's 4th down calls, taking his foot off the gas at times. However I lived through the 70's & 80's and have no desire to return to those times, so I would challenge all of you to be careful what you wish for, as change isn't always for the best