Other than depth at every most important position, and every position in all three phases?

I'm not sure that a lack of player effort is what happened?

Anyway ...

I am way more worried now after that game than i was before the game. I remember last year when in training camp everyone raved about how good our defense was and it turned out that it just looked so good because the offense was so bad. By the end of the year they turned the offense around but this looks a lot like the same thing to me. They had a bad practice on Friday and it didn't go any better Sunday. Every year by playoff time these backups are needed because of injuries to starters and if our backups are this bad it doesn't bode well for us. While i wouldn't expect them to beat the starters that Denver played, i would expect them to be able to stop a couple of plays, especially the runs. I just hope this is a wake up call to the coaches to understand what these players can and cannot handle. I know they'll not look this bad all year but in this league you cannot get to far behind the leaders and expect to catch them.

Losing a game is one thing, but looking like you don’t care in a group that is all bubble players raises legitimate questions.

Apart from a handful of players: Hopper (who was impressive), Wilson who made at least a couple of plays, ran hard and made key protection pick ups all night despite getting zero help, Mosby and a couple of recent DE acquiring who might have increased their PS chances, virtually no one helped themselves.

A few, like Brooks, Melton and Rochell didn’t harm them. Many others did. Kalen King had a very poor night and so did Dubose. Heath had one very poor drop but otherwise was the best receiver probably, but some, like Wayne and Hicks were essentially unable to show anything. As to the OL, it’s starting to look like it’s more than the players individual talent that is an issue.

Nah, I have yet to begin!

Totally missing the point. The Bears had a preseason game with backups in that looked much better than any minute our backups played. Too much is dismissed, imo. It's the preseason. They were the 2s and 3s. Stop overreacting. Blah blah blah. These are professional football players vying for a roster spot. You wouldn't have thought that watching that " keystone kops" performance. It reminded me of the first halves of last seasons first halves where they'd come out and put up 33 yds of offense and you would wonder if you were watching an NFL game.
Inexcusable effort.

I'm not sure that ineffective run blocking means we have no O line depth. The combination of players they used couldn't get it done in that matchup. Coaches tried no in game adjustment once that was established, and kept slamming our RBs into brick walls. I'm pleasantly surprised none are hurt, and suspect they're all worse for that wear.

I would have liked to have seen our coaches practicing their in game adjustment, it's been a weakness for years and that's my biggest concern. There was still substantial O line talent on the bench, even without starters. Of course I'm not privy to their game plan, maybe they created an ideal learning opportunity for everyone? I don't see it.

At least the goal of no injuries was almost met: Goforth got a concussion, nothing else reported. No new injuries from the joint practice, right?

A Gen Z rip was what you came up with? Shame on you

All 3 phases. STs lost the field position battle, too :(

I had good beer and brats, so there's that. The football was hard to watch ...

That indeed was a major goal, and it was almost met. Goforth had a concussion, no other injury reported that I'm aware of. No injury in the joint practice? Clifford threw his interception immediately after taking a helmet to helmet hit, and yes that was a THROWN interception rather than an amazing defensive play. I'm not sure he wasn't still rattled by that hit, but I don't want to use it as an excuse for the bad throw and I imagine he doesn't either.

Seeing the stat that Bo Melton went 2 receptions on 3 attempts makes me feel a little better, I guess. It seemed worse watching it.

Our O line and the coaches lack of in-game adjustments there was our biggest offensive failure IMHO. There was still lots of O line talent on the bench, even aside from starters. I don't know how much time is appropriate to let the same line flail ineffectively, nor do I see how it created a great opportunity for any of our offensive players.

Hopefully our coaching staff has all this in hand ...

You might need to step outside.

If you wait until the hurricane hits, then you're probably too late to do much about it other than going up on the roof and hoping for a lifeboat.

I'm not ready to say our depth at O line sux. Certainly the combination coaches put out there couldn't get anything done in that matchup. I don't understand why they didn't try any other player combinations, there was still substantial talent on the bench, even without starters.

Of course if Bakh would come back cheap to sit as reserve that'd be great, but I don't see that as a realistic hope?

Hopper could end up being the starter.

Not very well is probably correct, as least as a collective group. I would like to see a #2 OL (even if he is playing against Denver's starters) look like he might not be a major liability if that player had to start for GB during the season. I did not see a backup tackle do that. I did not see that in the backup guards. Ditto center.

I did see a couple of defensive backups who looked like they would not be a disaster if they had to start. Cox, Mosby, Hopper, and the outside corners except for Kalen King (who I still like). Disappointed in Brooks and Wooden because I thought they could hold up against starters. Those two will be expected to play against starters in the regular season, after all.

If he healthy… as a starter… IMHO!

Reality check, especially now, the pre-season doesn’t mean much when determining how the team as a whole performs during the season. Keep in mind, many won’t even be on the roster or even practiced together all that much so how can the whole team actually play like a team? Just because our 2’s and 3’s didn’t look good against their 1’s doesn’t mean there wasn’t good plays by players. Also, it provides for learning and training this week. And, lastly it gives Mlf more info on who to cut, make the team or practice squad. Don’t look too much into it!

Maybe stop referring to the team as the Green Bay Pansies and the coach as Matt LaFlower after one preseason game and you won't get any "piling on with negativity",

Just a thought.

Whole heartedly agree…..It really hard to imagine a player fighting for his job not giving all-out effort. Their all-out effort just might not be enough.

How did the Packers go from a record of 1-10-1 in 1958 to a record of 7-5 in 1959, then a trip to the NFL Championship Game in 1960, then five championships in the next seven years?
How did Paul Hornung go from being a bust and a joke to having a bust of himself enshrined at the Hall of Fame in football glory?
How did Ray Nitschke go from being unstable to the rock of the Packers defense, and also a hall-of-famer?
How did Bart Starr go from being worse than Daniel Jones, Justin Fields, and Zach Wilson to one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, and a member of the Hall of Fame?
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Ah, the mysteries of life. . . .
If we allow mediocrity to go without criticism, if we accept excuses or even make excuses for others, then we get what we get.
In the history of our very own cherished team, the Green Bay Packers, we have the ultimate story of the worst losers becoming the greatest winners -- and yet we don't seem to take note and assess its relevance for today.
Leatherhead, what do you think Vince Lombardi would make of your comment?
My hunch is that he would find it less than . . . well, not very apt, let's put it that way.
I say this as one of your supporters at CHTV who always deals with you respectfully.
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For that matter, I deal respectfully, even kindly, with everyone here.
Yet, so many are so ready to criticize me so quickly and so meanly.
It seems some even want to belittle me with the snark of self-superiority.
I truly wonder how many of them wanted Aaron Rodgers to still be sticking around with the Packers, and then were ready to get rid of Jordan Love just last November.
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In this day and age, it seems reason and kindness don't get a person very far.
Also, there seems a troubling tendency to go along with the crowd too easily.
People are quick to criticize, even to pile on; and so slow to defend someone who questions the crowd mentality.
In a way, it hurts more when the better posters here at CHTV -- as far as football knowledge and general good sense -- seem to ignore me as an annoyance they would just as soon have go away. They're not part of the putting down of the unpopular guy, but do go along with it.
Please excuse me if I'm more than a little downhearted at it all -- I must be the one hysterical in overreacting and pathetically hypersensitive.
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P.S. I am grateful for the fans here who have been supportive of my comments over the years. It has meant a lot. Perhaps it gets too wearisome to stick up for me too often.
P.P.S. It seems that not only do the Packers have to make a major decision this week about what kind of team they want to be, but that the fans here at CHTV need to decide if this site is going to be an echo chamber of self-congratulation that snidely drives away anyone who dares to think independently.
Is CHTV going to be a jovial tavern of camaraderie that welcomes one and all, or a dank bar of sad regulars who routinely and roundly discourage others from joining in?

“This stuff about "not enough effort" is crazy talk.” Leatherhead.

“Certainly, I was hoping our guys would come out with more strain, effort, grit after kind of getting humbled the other day in practice. And then to have it happen again [pause] not where you want to be.” Matt LaFleur

well, if you ignore the second half of last season, a 7th round draft choice as the left tackle, and the ass-stomping delivered to the cowboys, i could see how you might be concerned...

conversely, you could accept that it's the PRESEASON, and that none of the starters played and you could, you know, settle down.

Yeah, Rodgers has won a bunch of big games since then........

Does anybody remember the last time that Aaron Rodgers won a playoff game? It was over 4 years ago, against the Rams.

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The Peter Principle is alive and well everywhere.

What if we put the team on a galley ship and had them row down to Brazil?
The players who survive make the team!
At least, nobody would be questioning their toughness.
Jordan love would be the coxswain.

i think we need to call in some experts to get an answer on this one. I've noticed he always looks happy/joyful when the team plays well. If we work together, we may be able to land a federal research grant and hopefully find a definitive answer to your question.

Because it's surprising?

Let me ask you this. His regular season record is 56-27. Of those 27 losses over the last 5 years, how many times do you think the team played "poorly"? I can think of a few, but the Packers play pretty well most of the time. For all the complaining, Murphy/Gutekunst/LaFleur put a pretty good product on the field.