What is the best position for rookie Lukas Van Ness?
The rookie's versatility should be seen as a strength, but should he be a defensive lineman or a pure edge rusher?
By rex.sheild

In the days, weeks, and months leading up to the NFL Draft, most draft analysts projected that the Green Bay Packers would select a wide receiver, offensive lineman, or tight end with their first-round selection. General manager Brian Gutekunst bypassed all those options and drafted Iowa’s Lukas Van Ness instead, marking the seventh defensive player taken by the organization in the first round since Gutekunst took over at the helm in 2018.
Even though the OTAs and mini-camp have not featured any pads, “Hercules” has impressed those inside the building.
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“He has a lot of things that can help this team. I think he has his head in the right place. He comes to work hard every day and has a high motor,” outside linebacker Preston Smith said.
“He’s a very, very smart, cerebral kid,” pass rush specialist Jason Rebrovich said.
“Lukas is going to be one hell of a player for us,” outside linebacker Rashan Gary said.
After the first round, Gutekunst met with the press and acknowledged that Van Ness’ versatility was "something that is very important to us." Defensive coordinator Joe Barry recently stressed Van Ness’ versatility as well, remarking that he’s “athletic enough that we’re going to stand him up and play him on the edge, but then also, big and physical enough that we’ll be able to move him up and down all over the line.”
Thus, should Van Ness be in the three-point stance for a majority of his snaps, or should he be utilized both inside and outside?
Greg Cosell, a senior producer for NFL Films and an executive producer for ESPN’s NFL Matchup, remarked on a recent episode of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast that Van Ness should not be used as an outside linebacker, but rather as a pure defensive lineman.
“I read that they’re going to make Van Ness an outside backer. Look, they know more than I do. They’re with them. I did not see Lukas Van Ness as that kind of player,” Cosell said. “I actually saw him more as a J.J. Watt kind of player. And I don’t want people to think that I’m saying he’s exactly J.J. Watt. I’m talking stylistically, how we can be deployed in the context of a defense. I saw him as a defensive lineman who could play literally every position along the defensive front.”
Throughout the team’s offseason practices, Van Ness drilled with the outside linebacker group, which included Smith, second-year player Kingsley Enagbare, and fifth-year Justin Hollins, but Wes Hodkiewicz of Packers.com acknowledged in a recent article that Van Ness could move to the inside “to help as an interior rusher on passing downs” once Gary is cleared to return by the medical staff after tearing his ACL in Week 9 of the 2022 season.
The average height and weight of NFL defensive ends for the 2022 season was 6-foot-4 and 277.38 pounds, whereas the average height and weight for all NFL linebackers for the 2022 season was roughly 6-foot-2 and 240.7 pounds.
Standing at 6-foot-5 and weighing 272 pounds, Van Ness' weight is a little bit below average, but not by a staggering amount. Does Van Ness have the strength to hold his own as someone that would primarily be in a three-point stance? He only produced 17 bench press reps at the NFL Combine, though scouts in the pre-draft process pointed out that his strength on the field is an asset.
Notwithstanding that, he has the athleticism to play inside or outside. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.58 seconds at the Combine, tied for ninth among defensive ends, and registered a three-cone drill of 7.02 and a 20-yard shuttle of 4.32. Those two figures were second-best among defensive ends. Van Ness' 34" arm length and 81.75" wingspan should also not hinder him from making an impact at either defensive end or outside linebacker.
Given that the Packers need all the pass rush help they can get at this point in time, it may make the most sense for Barry to deploy him both as a stand-up rusher and as a defensive end, similar to how the Dallas Cowboys utilize Micah Parsons, who is 6-foot-3 and, as of last month, weighs 252 pounds. (In no way am I saying that Van Ness is currently anywhere close to Parson's level.)
In Parson's rookie season, one in which he won Defensive Rookie of the Year after registering 13 sacks and 20 tackles for loss, he played 55.2% of his snaps at linebacker and 41.5% of his snaps at defensive end. Last season, he played 18.6% of his snaps at linebacker and 80.5% of his snaps at defensive end en route to his second first-team All-Pro honor.
Altogether, putting Van Ness in a position to succeed, whether that is at defensive end or outside linebacker (or a mix of both), will go a long way toward his overall development as a playmaker.
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Rex is a lifelong Packers fan but was sick of the cold, so he moved to the heart of Cowboys country. Follow him on Twitter (@Sheild92) and Instagram (@rex.sheild).
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Comments (23)
Leatherhead
June 26, 2023 at 12:40 pm
If our four best pressure guys are Gary, PSmith, Clark, and Van Ness, then I'd assume he'd line up on the Dline next to Clark when we want our best pass rush on the field. Otherwise, I think he'll rotate with Gary and PSmith. I don't think he'll see a lot of time at DE.
A lot of it will depend on injuries. Where is he needed? Right now, it looks like we need him to take snaps at OLB, with Gary and Smith and Enagbare. But if Clark or Wyatt or Wooden takes an injury, he'll probably get snaps at DE.
PackEyedOptimist
June 26, 2023 at 12:48 pm
I also have thought, from the beginning, that his college tape looks like he’d be a great DE. Gary was a DE in college as well, and I expect to see a VanNess, Clark, Wyatt, Gary “line” with the two ILBs and 5 DBs as a common defense in 2024.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 27, 2023 at 07:25 am
Is that similar to how the Steel Curtain did things?
LambeauPlain
June 26, 2023 at 12:54 pm
Who knows what Joe Barry will do with Van Ness? I know I don't.
Last year, Hercules was more effective with his constant bull rush at OLB Edge but not so good with his bull rush on the DL. He needs more pass rush moves...at least one. Two more would be great.
However, when it comes to Joe Barry's evaluation of talent and how to attack the opponent is always an enigma, wrapped in a shroud, surrounded by a mystery.
Looking to D. Wyatt as an example, it is entirely possible Barry keeps Hercules on the bench most of the season.
Maybe Rich Bicassia will intervene. Let's hope.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 27, 2023 at 07:27 am
Luke Ness Monster was drafted as an edge rusher. I'd like to see him used as an edge rusher. Rotate him anywhere there's a favorable matchup and disrupt the opposing backfield; play meet at the QB :)
stockholder
June 26, 2023 at 01:17 pm
OLB / Edge- Follow Gary's footsteps.
Because OLB / edge have a injury history.
And then their over-paid.
jannesbjornson
June 26, 2023 at 04:45 pm
He was the wrong choice for the Edge spot. Not a complete set of rush moves. See if he can learn from P. Smith?
cdoemel
June 26, 2023 at 09:53 pm
Are you joking? Gary’s a beast bro. Who have you been watching? Pffff
jannesbjornson
June 27, 2023 at 10:54 am
Van Ness.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 27, 2023 at 07:29 am
JB, a rookie not being a finished product does not = mistake. If he can't learn, he will prove to be a mistake after his third year. I'd be very surprised if the man can't learn.
jannesbjornson
June 27, 2023 at 10:55 am
Uzomah is more polished.
greengold
June 27, 2023 at 04:59 pm
Not in run stop.
jannesbjornson
June 29, 2023 at 11:04 am
Then draft real DTs and DEs to go four man fronts.
TKWorldWide
June 26, 2023 at 01:23 pm
I’ll suggest his best position is on top of the quarterback, and I don’t care where he lines up at the snap.
T7Steve
June 26, 2023 at 01:45 pm
Make that, "on top of the QB" or RB. and I'm right with you TKW.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 27, 2023 at 07:30 am
He can probably tackle TE, too.
dobber
June 26, 2023 at 02:09 pm
WINNER!
GregC
June 26, 2023 at 02:37 pm
This article oddly makes no mention of the differences between the 3-4 and 4-3 defenses. I would expect that the average weights of DLs vs. LBs would be significantly different, depending on what kind of defense their teams run. The Packers, being a 3-4 team, should have lighter DLs and heavier LBs compared to 4-3 teams. That means Van Ness may fit more with the LBs than the DLs on the Packers. In fact, he is just about exactly between the weight of Rashan Gary (278) and Preston Smith (265).
The comparison with Micah Parsons is problematic, considering that the Cowboys are a 4-3 team, and Parsons is a physically unusual player with his extreme quickness and great pass rush moves. I don't think the Parsons comparison helps predict what Van Ness will be doing, one way or another. I would guess that Van Ness will mostly be an OLB who rushes from the edge on passing downs.
cdoemel
June 26, 2023 at 09:55 pm
You really know how to bring a party down don’t you bro
Thegreatreynoldo
June 27, 2023 at 04:17 am
I think this is spot on.
Jaqu’eau
June 26, 2023 at 08:38 pm
Van Ness will disrupt no matter where he lines up. He is high energy, a little bit of Clay and a little bit of Zadarius. Once Gary is healthy, the Packers have three elite players who can play anywhere along the d-line. With Enagbare and Smith, this could possibly be a stellar defensive front!
cdoemel
June 26, 2023 at 09:55 pm
Now here we go!!
greengold
June 27, 2023 at 04:45 pm
Looks like the Packers just signed Lukas Van Ness. Good.
4 years, $17.4M w $9.6M signing bonus.
Congratulations, Lukas. Go get ‘em!!!
(FYI some kind of logjam with R2 signings. Still waiting on Musgrave and Reed).