The Lass Word: Playing It Safe

Should LaFleur take more risks?

Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell has become a media darling.  The national talking heads love his tough guy persona, and they especially love his riverboat gambler coaching style.  Campbell has a reputation for going for it on fourth down, almost regardless of circumstance.  Against the Packers Campbell went for it on fourth down five times, including once on fourth and one from his own 31 yard line.  At the time it was late in the third quarter and Detroit was trying to hold on to a three point lead.  The Packers stopped them, and four plays later converted the turnover to a touchdown to retake the lead. 

Some would call the decision to go for it in that situation foolhardy and irresponsible.  Others might say it was an expression of confidence in his players.  Campbell also chose to go for it twice on fourth and goal from inside the five.  His team scored on both tries, but failing either one might well have cost him the game.  He also elected to go for it on fourth and one on the Green Bay 21 with 43 seconds left to play and the score tied.  Getting stopped there would have given Jordan Love and the Packers the ball with plenty of time to get into field goal range and win the game.  Again, the Lions converted, enabling them to run the clock down and boot the winning field goal on the game’s final play. 

Gutsy decisions?  No doubt.  Smart decisions?  I suppose they are smart if you make the play.  If the Lions had lost the game, perhaps the conversation would be different.   

When it comes to taking such risks, Matt LaFleur will never be confused with Campbell.  Green Bay’s head coach tends to lean conservative in terms of risk tolerance.  A good example came on the Packers’ second possession of the game.  The defense had forced a three-and-out, and the punt was fair caught at the Green Bay 48 yard line.  Excellent field position.  Josh Jacobs gained five yards on first down, followed by two incomplete passes.  The Packers were looking at fourth and five from the Detroit 47.   They were already down by seven points.  

This was the type of situation in which a coach like Campbell would not hesitate to go for it.  LaFleur decided to line the offense up but not snap the ball, taking a delay of game penalty.  “That would be one where maybe you could argue that we should have gone for it right there”, LaFleur would later say.   “We didn’t, and that’s that.” 

It’s tempting to be critical of LaFleur for not taking more risks, especially in the shadow of Campbell’s success.  But these head coaches know their teams.  In particular, they know their offensive lines.  The Lions have the best O-line in the league.  It also helps that his offense is often successful on first and second down, meaning Detroit is usually looking at fourth and one or two, not fourth and five.  LaFleur, wisely, is less confident in his O-line's ability to come through on fourth down, especially at a distance of five yards or more. 

Despite Campbell’s renown as a risk taker, his team ranks no higher than ninth in fourth down attempts.  His success rate is sixth best at 68 percent.  He’s gone for it 22 times and made it 15 of those attempts.  LaFleur, by comparison, has gone for it on fourth down just ten times, tied for the second fewest in the league.  The Packers have been successful five of those times, for a rate of 50 percent, tied for 22nd best.  LaFleur knows his team is not good at it, and it’s hard to fault him for hesitating to take the risk. 

Asked if he would consider being more of a gambler in his decisions, LaFleur told the beat writers that it depends on the circumstances.  “The situations have to come up within the flow of the game.  You’re not going to go for it on fourth and goal from the fourteen”, LaFleur said of Green Bay’s final possession of the game.  “Every game is a little different in terms of, how aggressive do you want to be and who are you playing.” 

Going for it on fourth down has become in vogue in pro football.  The Cleveland Browns have done it 34 times.  The Minnesota Vikings have done it just eight times.  You don’t have to be a risk taker to win games.  But you also don’t want to waste opportunities by being overly conservative.  Head coaches like LaFleur get paid to find the right balance. 

 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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Spock's picture

December 12, 2024 at 03:41 pm

I think the comments about the disparity in how the OL's were ranked and how they were playing in the game shows that MLF made the right decisions for his team in that game. Campbell's aggressiveness sent the Lions home from the playoffs last year, so arguments can be made either way. IMO the author's view of each team's coach/OL seems fair, and I think the author answered his own question, "Should MLF take more risks?". Within the article. The answer seems to be it depends on how the coach is reading the situation: the game flow, players ability to win the line of scrimmage in the game, etc.

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splitpea1's picture

December 12, 2024 at 03:55 pm

For the Packers to go for it on fourth down more often, they'll need a more reliable short passing game. In Detroit's case, they have three high-percentage receiving options: St. Brown with a catch rate of 82.7%, Gibbs at 81%, and Montgomery at over 94%. So these guys are all adept at getting open, and as we've seen, Goff gets it to them quickly.

The tactical decision-making to play it a little more conservative is fine, but an expanded repertoire of trustworthy short passing plays would be welcome. Of course, that takes commitment and practice.

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:55 am

The Lions also have the best RT and one of the best centers in the game. The RG Zietler is a crafty old man that's having a really good year as well. I wouldn't be too worried about going for it on 4th and 1 or 2 either with that line.

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dobber's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:12 am

Spot on: with that OL, the Lions still have virtually their whole playbook available to them on 4th and short, which means the defense has to defend the entire playbook (based on how the Lions line up, of course). Is that true of the Packers?

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:24 am

why wouldn't it be? the packers have a more mobile qb, better running back and 6 receivers who can both run and catch. the only thing that might limit the play calling is the play caller.

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:34 am

Now compare the O lines. It's not close.

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:34 am

Herbstreit pointed out last week if you know your going to go for it on 4th of its within a yard or two it also can change your play calling on 3rd down. It's easier to get 6 on 3rd down when you need 8.

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jannes bjornson's picture

December 13, 2024 at 06:47 pm

So, strength against strength with the three One Picks on the Packer's D-Line. No excuses.

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Packitin's picture

December 14, 2024 at 09:26 am

"For the Packers to go for it on fourth down more often, they'll need a more reliable short passing game."
I second this. Both Love and Rodgers have (had) a tendency to try for a low-percentage bomb in short yardage rather than just moving the chains with a checkdown or designed 3-5 yard route. VERY frustrating to watch sometimes.

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Coldworld's picture

December 12, 2024 at 04:23 pm

Campbell goes for it on 4th down more than any head coach of a team that’s had a consistently strong offense. Overall, the 7th most attempts thus far. LaFleur has gone for it less than all but 2 teams on 4th down. The optimal answer is probably somewhere in between.

With respect to the two calls you highlight, in hindsight I say both were poor decisions. Neither seemed to fit the game situation.

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canadapacker's picture

December 12, 2024 at 04:52 pm

Campbell does it and it will eventually cost him a game - perhaps an important game. He (unlike Philly and the tush push) doesnt have the type of players on the Oline. I was kind of hoping that Caleb Jones was going to develop in the type of player to do that.

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:57 am

He (unlike Philly and the tush push) doesnt have the type of players on the Oline."

Say what now? That's straight up wrong. I'd take the Lions line over the Eagles line minus Kelce for sure.

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canadapacker's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:25 pm

Overall yes - but not for the tush push

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Leatherhead's picture

December 12, 2024 at 06:21 pm

If you have a good offense, you should convert 60% or better on 4th and short.

When you go for it and win, you get a new set of downs.
When you go for it and lose, it's a turnover.

Do you think that balances out on a 1 to 1 basis, or do you need two wins on 4th down to equal one loss?

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fair_weather's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:03 am

Is this algebra?

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dobber's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:09 am

Yeah, no one said there'd be math...

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:26 am

there's too many goddamn variables, what did you say X was?

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stockholder's picture

December 12, 2024 at 07:05 pm

MLF -- 68–35 (.660)
Campbell- 43–35–1 (.551)
The records tell the story.
I vote No.

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KenEllis's picture

December 12, 2024 at 09:09 pm

Campbell took over a historically bad franchise that had just traded away its star QB in exchange for a QB the Rams did not want.

MLF took over a team with a 2-time MVP at QB. (That QB added 2 more MVPs after MLF took over).

MLF is a good coach.

However, it is worth noting that since the start of the 2022 season, Cambpell's record is 33-14 while MLF's record is 26-21.

Lots to like about MLF, but which coach looks more likely to get to his first Super Bowl?

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stockholder's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:57 am

It's more than just the QB.
We went through a rebuild too.

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greengold's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:54 pm

That can't be understated. It's a completely different team save for a handful of players from AR's last season in GB.

The certain cap hell death spiral that could very easily lasted a decade was averted by the greed of Woody Johnson. If not for that trade, we could very easily be fighting CHI for the basement of the NFC Central.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:29 am

Partially true.

I would see it as LaFleur inheriting a team that had missed the playoffs two years in a row, guided by an aging QB who, according to the news of the day,was no longer an "elite" QB. He had missed a big chunk of 2017 with an injury and played hurt all of 2018.

LaFleur took that group to the Championship game his first year.

Whereas Campbell inherited a team that was loaded with high draft picks, thanks to their perpetual ineptitude.

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Coldworld's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:37 am

Rodgers won 2 MVPs in that time. We can debate his motivations and how much control was ceded to him by LaFleur and perhaps Murphy, but until 2022, trying to couch Rodgers as not playing at an elite level at QB is a bizarre contention.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:45 am

Go back and read the articles that were written at the time by the beat writers. He was not an elite QB in 2017 or 2018, and this was being mentioned in the media at the time. That's the QB that LaFleur inherited....not the MVP, but an older guy who'd been hurt and wasn't particularly effective. Lafleur changed that and enabled Rodgers to win the MVP again.

Bizarre? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. If it means repeating what was reported in the news of the day, then I guess I can live with that.

I tried to post a link, but couldn't get it to work here. A brief Google search revealed multiple articles about Rodgers no longer being 'elite'. It took me about 30 seconds to find this. But you were totally unaware of this? Seriously?

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:47 am

The Lions went 1-6 to start the '22 season as well. Since November of '22 he's 32-8 and LaFleur is 23-16.

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Gman1976's picture

December 13, 2024 at 05:10 pm

I think one reason for MLF's 50% success rate on 4th down is his subpar play calling in those situations. He seems so vanilla.

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LeotisHarris's picture

December 12, 2024 at 08:26 pm

Like all of us, Matt takes a huge risk just by leaving his home each day. I don't think he's risk-averse by any means. People don't get to be head coaches in the NFL without taking a few risks along the way (unless you're Jeff Saturday or Barry Switzer), May Matt continue to successfully walk the tightrope between buying that reconditioned model and forking it over for the extended warranty on the latest and greatest (depending upon the situation and flow of the transaction, of course.)

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:59 am

Switzer was once arrested for having a gun on his carryon luggage at an airport. I'd say that's pretty risky.

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:43 pm

In summertime, I frequently wear shirts with cutoff sleeves, so, regarding guns…

I have to sculpt them at the office. I feel the deep burn because I do so many reps.

Anybody seen Miss Corningstone?

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LLCHESTY's picture

December 13, 2024 at 04:26 pm

Wait until you switch to the 22 oz bombers. Big gains.

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fair_weather's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:08 am

Well said. We are all risk takers. I second this prayer.

“May Matt continue to successfully walk the tightrope between buying that reconditioned model and forking it over for the extended warranty on the latest and greatest (depending upon the situation and flow of the transaction, of course.)”

Can I get an amen?

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Coldworld's picture

December 13, 2024 at 11:40 am

You aren’t kidding, the wind can blow in Green Bay, the snow or rain can fall. That can severely disturb one’s coiffure. Sometimes they may even demand he wears a hat! The man had the heart of a lion even to venture out doors.

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CheeseMode's picture

December 12, 2024 at 09:43 pm

I don’t think Matt LeFleur trying to be like Dan Campbell would be the best version of himself.

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Bitternotsour's picture

December 12, 2024 at 11:35 pm

MLF as Dan Campbell would be phonier than Aaron Rodgers.

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fair_weather's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:00 am

Seems to me this was more situational and Campbell was able to show his disrespect for the Packers defense.

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GregC's picture

December 13, 2024 at 10:38 am

You could just as easily say that Campbell was showing disrespect for his own defense by being afraid to put the game in their hands with about 38 seconds left and the Packers with no time-outs and in need of a field goal to tie the score. But the reality is that it had nothing to do with disrespect and was a practical decision. Going for it on fourth and inches is a high percentage play against any defense.

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BuckyBadger's picture

December 13, 2024 at 09:58 am

I have said since the 90s teams should go for it more. With that said there is a time and place for it. Campbell going for it in the 4th to ice the game is the correct move. Going up 6 and with more than 90s on the clock is not the advantageous position many think it is. You can ice the game behind the strength of your team with a shortage play you do it. When he went for it on his own side of the field early in the game, that was a meat head move. He did that last year in the playoffs and it burned him there too. Go up 3 possessions in the 3rd QTR vs the 49ers and you are in the Super Bowl.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:09 pm

OK, let me ask you a question, a serious question.

Let's say it's 4th and 4 from the 44. That's a really long FG, and if you miss, it's a turnover at midfield. So you go for it, and you make it. Then, you are in a 4th and 2 from the 30, and you go for it again, and make it. The FG at this distance is 47 yards, which is usually makeable.

So now, you've got a fresh set of downs on the 27, and you end up at 4th and 5 from the 22 This FG attempt would be high percentage, but you go for it again and make it. Now you're first and 10 at the 15. And it ends up being 4th and 2 at the 7, and you go for it again, and you get stopped.

So you won three out of four times. The one time you didn't win, it was a turnover on downs. You got zero points.

The question is, don't you really have to be a lot better than 50% on 4th down, because the prize is a fresh set of downs, but if you fail, it's a turnover. Do those two things balance out? I'm thinking they don't.

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Packerpasty's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:30 pm

after all those 3rd down failures just kick it..

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:06 pm

Or maybe try something different.

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GregC's picture

December 13, 2024 at 12:31 pm

It's all about the distance. According to an article in the Sporting News from last January, the 4th down conversion rate is 51% overall, but if it's 4th and 1 yard or less it's 65%. Anything more than a yard is 41%. Obviously the percentage goes down the longer the attempt. In most situations, going for it on 4th and 1 is a solid decision anywhere past the middle of the field. There are lots of variables affecting the decision though. It's important to remember that a TD is worth more than two field goals because you usually get 7 points for it and sometimes 8. I know I am preaching to the choir on that one.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:05 pm

Greg, you can convert for a fresh set of downs. Or you can turn it over. I'd need better than a 55/45 ratio on that, because I don't think a first down is worth as much as a turnover

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GregC's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:16 pm

It's 65/35 if there is a yard or less to go. So you probably go for it in that situation. In your scenario, the offense probably should've kicked the field goal when it was 4th and 5, but if they thought it was worth going for it on 4th and 5, it wouldn't make sense to kick the field goal on 4th and 2. Unless the coach was just following his gut feeling instead of a coherent strategy.

Another thing to consider in your scenario is that turnovers are not as harmful when you are deep in the opponent's territory.

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Leatherhead's picture

December 13, 2024 at 05:22 pm

Turnovers deep in opponent territory cost you points.

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TKWorldWide's picture

December 13, 2024 at 02:45 pm

Winning cures everything.
When Dallas was good, Tom Landry was a “calming, steadying influence.”
When they went in the crapper, he was “failing to get his team fired up.”

If you’re aggressive and win, you are applauded.
If you’re aggressive and lose, you’re foolish.

The more times change, the more they stay the same.

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