Packers "Untouchables" This Offseason and Everyone Else
As the Packers start planning for the offseason, there will be some easy decisions and some tough ones to make this offseason about how the future of this team will look.

The Green Bay Packers 2024 season didn't live up to expectations coming into the season, but still resulted in a playoff appearance.
For being an up-and-down season chalked full of self-inflicted mistakes, it speaks to the talent and potential of the Packers roster to still finish fourth in offense by FTN's DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) and seventh in DVOA.
The Packers were able to find some players last offseason who contributed largely to the success, had some returning players continue to ascend, and others who struggled to rise up to the occasion this year.
Heading into this offseason, General Manager Brian Gutekunst has some gut-check decisions to make, and thankfully, per Packers' cap guru Ken Ingalls, the Packers will have roughly $23 million in effective cap space to work with this offseason after signing draft picks. Of course, restructures, releases, and extensions can still all impact that number, but regardless, the Packers are in a great spot with having the flexibility to address the roster.
To that, there are a few players on the team already who unquestionably will not be going anywhere, while the others all have some vulnerabilities that could impact their status on the roster.
Untouchables
- Jordan Love
- Edgerrin Cooper
- Xavier McKinney
- Josh Jacobs
- Zach Tom
- Elgton Jenkins
- Tucker Kraft
- Jayden Reed
- Evan Williams
- Jordan Morgan
There are a decent handful of players who are very obviously going to play tremendous roles on the Packers next season that, should any other team even think to place a call to Green Bay to inquire about, would be told to kick rocks. And that's if the phone isn't immediately hung up.
As it stands today, this is the undisputed core of the Packers' roster, which will lead them into the 2025 season.
From McKinney taking home first-team All-Pro honors, Edgerrin Cooper displaying talent the Packers haven't seen at off-ball linebacker in decades, Zach Tom finishing as PFF's fourth-highest-graded offensive tackle in the NFL, Tucker Kraft leading all qualified tight ends in average yards after catch (8.8) while also excelling as a blocker, Josh Jacobs returning to All-Pro form, Jayden Reed posting top numbers out of the slot while also being the Packers most dynamic weapon, Evan Williams being named to PFF's All-Rookie team, to Jordan Love in a banged up season still developing into what appears will be an elite quarterback that's already locked up for a while; the Packers stack up a talented core of players to lead them into the future.
Morgan, the Packers' latest first-round pick, is coming off a rookie season spent mostly on the shelf with injuries, but there's no scenario the Packers would already move off of him or sign or trade for an offensive lineman who would prevent Morgan from getting on the field. Morgan's status on the roster is as much a lock as anyone's.
Untouchable, but barely
- Rashan Gary
- Javon Bullard
Gary is coming off a season that was equally successful and as disappointing, especially considering his paycheck.
Disappointingly, Gary again failed to eclipse 10 sacks this season, and most databases have yet to register him with a single 10-sack season in his six-year career.
Despite a stronger finish to the season after a concerningly sluggish start, Gary still finished 31st among edge rushers in pressures (47) and 26th in sacks (8). It was undoubtedly not the season the Packers had hoped from Gary after excitement about what a new system could mean for his production. However, what a new system instead meant for his production was more geared towards his success as a run defender this season.
Still extremely important is a team's run defense. Without it, don't ever expect to bring home a championship; the ghosts of Packer defenses past would be the first to tell that to anyone.
With Jeff Hafley in town as defensive coordinator, Gary turned in his best season in run defense in his career. His 22 stops in run defense were 10th among edge rushers, and 10.5% of his snaps in run defense resulted in him registering a stop, the second-highest clip among edge rushers.
That type of run defense is far from a guarantee out of edge rushers, no matter how elite, and having that production from Gary is invaluable to the team's defensive success and the Packers' run defense improving to its best in roughly a decade.
The improvements in run defense and being the model of "carrying the G" on and off the field as a locker room leader definitely helped secure Gary's place on the roster. But it's non-Gary factors that make him more of a lock on the roster than anything else.
Given his dip in pass rush this season, his inability to ascend to the next level in sack production, and his contract, it's miscalculated to think any team will expend much to acquire Gary in a trade. Atleast not to the extent that the Packers will be willing to entertain, given their recent lofty investment in Gary's future on the team and their unlikely willingness to accept anything less than premium capital in return for Gary that simply isn't a viable reality at this time.
Secondly, if the Packers were to add any type of pass rush help this offseason, presumably to take over as the team's top pass rusher, it would be others like Van Ness, Enagbare, or Cox who face greater risk than Gary.
The goal of adding another pass rusher would not be to continue having one side not produce much, as happened this season. The goal would be to put someone across from Gary to give the Packers a real chance of having total domination on both sides of the line of scrimmage.
But Gary's rope is wearing thin, and next season will again test his ability to become the premier pass rusher he recently looked like he was becoming before injuries knocked him down, and a new scheme set him up to play more of a contain role at times than in past seasons.
As for Bullard, he is coming off a rough rookie season where he was picked apart at times in coverage. That said, he was tremendous playing up at the line of scrimmage, making frequent big tackles against passes behind the line of scrimmage and contributing in run defense. As one of the Packers' two second-round picks last season and taking over as their new slot defender, Bullard's role on the team is certainly not going anywhere after an up-and-down rookie season.
However, with Williams looking like the top option as McKinney's running mate at safety and the Packers likely having a big shake-up at cornerback this offseason, there will certainly be new competition brought that could result in Bullard's role being impacted if his coverage doesn't take a step forward next year. That said, and like Gary, it would take something pretty massive for Bullard not to have a firm starting role on the team to open next season. But the leash extended might not be as long as it is for the more untouchable players on roster right now.
Nothing Guaranteed
- Kenny Clark
- Keisean Nixon
- Quay Walker
- Sean Rhyan
Kenny Clark is entering his age-30 season and arguably coming off the worst year of his career. Yes, it's true that Clark is the type of defensive lineman who makes life easier for an off-ball linebacker, but something was very clearly off this season, and it creates a situation the Packers will need to take into consideration for a player now in the later years of his prime.
The 2025 draft class is stacked at defensive tackle, and as proven last year by getting in the action of a loaded offensive tackle class, Gutekunst is not afraid to get his slice of the pie at one of the top-heavy positions in the draft.
With dropping to only one sack this year and having a tough time executing against both double teams and one-on-ones in either run defense or pass rush, Clark's play opened the door for the Packers to consider drafting his replacement. While Devonte Wyatt was drafted to be the Robin to Clark's Batman, the combo has not been able to string together any real dominance in the middle of the Packer's defensive line. When play is good, but not great, there's room to upgrade.
To make matters worse for Clark, the Packers have an out in his contract after the 2025 season, and with even the best rookie defensive tackles normally taking a year to come into their own, the Packers may be interested in investing premium capital to recreate what Clark has given them for many years prior. And draft history suggests that if a team wants a great defensive tackle, the first round is the place to invest. This year is as good as any to take a swing.
For Nixon, his play vastly improved this season with kicking out to the boundary and he was arguably the top blitzing cornerback in the NFL this past season with how Hafley deployed him in that role.
But like the defensive tackle play, overall, he was good but not great, especially not to the extent that is required from a team's top cornerback in coverage.
The writing seems to be on the wall with Jaire Alexander likely not returning to the Packers next season after injuries cost him most of his 2024 campaign and many games across recent seasons. Even if he did, who really knows at this point with his injury situation.
To that, the Packers don't currently have what should make anyone feel great about their top option at cornerback.
Carrington Valentine certainly looks promising, with only one touchdown allowed in his first 769 pass coverage snaps in his career, but has still struggled enough to the extent that he isn't a sure thing to take over top cornerback duties.
Eric Stokes had his fifth-year option declined, and despite a promising late-season stretch, there's no guarantee he's on the roster next year himself.
Naturally, that leaves Nixon as the top cornerback on the Packers but this unit is far from settled. If the Packers want to entertain a trade for a top-flight cornerback, there's no reason why Nixon, or any of the Packers' current group of corners, would be left out of the conversation if it would result in a meaningful upgrade.
The Packers may also choose to address the position in free agency and/or the draft, which could very well jeopardize even Nixon's spot if they could move off him to help build at other positions if they feel better about a new top cornerback and Valentine as the number two.
Point being, while Nixon will very likely start next season as one of the Packers' top two cornerbacks, and while his play as a boundary corner is sufficient in a number two role, there's a plethora of ways Green Bay may look to build up their cornerback room, and there's currently no premier presence that should be kept out of considerations when making necessary moves to put the best 11 players on the field.
In the case of Quay, it's quite simple: There are now three years of tape and stats to show that he's the definition of expendable, and there's a better chance than not that, especially with Cooper's emergence, the Packers may decide to not pick up Walker's fifth-year option.
Sure, late this season, he started to show some signs of improvement. But he remains one of the lowest-rated linebackers in all of football in pass coverage in each of his first three seasons, and he continuously struggles to make an impact in run defense.
Not only that, but he's most certainly been passed up by Cooper on the depth chart heading into next season. And while they could end up making a strong one-two punch, linebacker is not a valued position in the NFL right now, and unless the contract was cheap, the Packers are surely not going to be looking to invest anything into bringing Walker back on an extension at this pace.
Walker desperately needs to put it all together in 2025.
If The Price Is Right:
- Christian Watson (unlikely to be moved with his ACL injury) / Romeo Doubs / Dontayvion Wicks
- Carrington Valentine
- Rasheed Walker
- Lukas Van Ness
- Devonte Wyatt
- Luke Musgrave
It's time to have a a difficult conversation about some players on the Packers, ones that this offseason may test the sanity of Gutekunst trying to decipher the best path forward. No one should yet be giving up on any of these guys but there's reasons why none are sure bets (yet) to be part of the Packers' long-term equation.
There's no reason why any player mentioned above should be left out of the discussion if the Packers are in trade talks to bring in a substantial upgrade at a position. Yes, at first glance, it may feel uncomfortable to see some of these names, like Waston or Doubs, but if it means a true upgrade to another Xavier McKinney or Josh Jacobs type of impactful addition to the Packers, that naturally involves packaging a high-potential player in exchange for an elite known commodity.
Watson, Doubs, and Wicks all bring great traits to the Packers offense, but with how the Packers offense looks to be operating going forward, there is no room for them to support the development of four promising receivers.
Jayden Reed leading the team with 55 catches is the lowest to lead the team since 2003 and with everyone receiving such low volume, it will be very difficult for anyone to begin to start reaching their potential. If the Packers are able to consolidate their pass catchers via trade, that more than likely means moving off any of the three to make that a reality.
However, what's more likely is that they invest high draft capital to bring in another receiver, which would naturally phase one of these three out of the offense anyway. Again, it's gut check time for Gutekunst, with this room coming off a mostly disappointing season in which targets were scarce for everyone, and output failed to exceed expectations largely due to dropped passes and the nature of the offense shifting to more run-dominant.
Rookie contracts are running out on this wide receiver unit, and no one has separated themselves besides Reed to the extent that he does a bit of everything and is a uniquely dynamic player. All options need to be on the table to get the receiver room in a spot where it's again going to be a strength for the Packers next season.
Musgrave, on the other hand, has faced two lengthy injuries in his first two seasons and now has a Tucker Kraft emergence in his way. It's unlikely the Packers want to move Musgrave, but if the price is right and would allow the Packers to fill other roster gaps with tight end looking locked up by Kraft, it's not outside the realm of possibilities that another team sees Musgrave as a starting tight end still and is willing to invest in talents. That said, it may behoove Green Bay to reap the benefits of one full season of Kraft and Musgrave running a muck on defenses in two tight-end sets before shaking things up behind Kraft on the depth chart.
Wyatt, Van Ness, Walker, and Valentine all bring extremely valuable talent to the Packers. However, they are all also at far greater risk of being traded and replaced than others in their positions.
It may still require a high asking price in return, as it's unlikely the Packers are willing to throw in the towel on any of them yet. But Green Bay love to "be involved" in talks and these are four high-ceiling players that other teams may be willing to bite on, especially while they still don't cost much.
What makes all of their situations more precarious is the upcoming draft and free agency, where premium talent will be available who the Packers may see as an upgrade to invest in that would either push them down the depth chart or involved in a trade for the Packers to recoup some value if they do choose to turn their attention to someone else.
Unfortunately, none have done enough or jumped off the tape to the extent that Green Bay should absolutely not consider other options. Valentine is well on his way, but Van Ness is still struggling to put it all together as a pass rusher, and Wyatt hasn't elevated his game much after three seasons.
In Walker's case, the Packers could also very well choose to go into next season with Morgan at left tackle despite Walker's strong numbers again this year. That doesn't mean he's bonified "untouchable," as a seventh-rounder still making his mark while fighting through some inconsistencies in run blocking and penalties. That said, he's very well on track to slide into the untouchable range and earn an extension after a strong next season.
Again, anytime a team is dealing with a player who is good, but not great, the expectation should always be to seek great. Otherwise, don't expect great results at the end of the season. No team will ever be perfect or have great players at every spot, but complacency kills in any business when a high standard is not being adhered to year in and year out.
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Based in Seattle, Austin's roots are in Wisconsin and he bleeds Green & Gold. He also currently writes for Lombardi Ave and has been featured on various Packers podcasts. Follow him on Twitter at @AustinKrueger_.
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Comments (79)
T7Steve
January 15, 2025 at 11:07 am
Nixon is a lock till his contract comes up again or he asks for a raise. He was supposed to be the slot corner and did well enough on the outside to even be talking about this.
If you'd said even a season ago Kenny Clark wasn't a lock, I'd have blown this whole article off as ridiculous. I kept making excuses for him with a toe injury till even I noticed something not right.
There should only be 2 locks on the O-line and even then, if he's a lock why isn't Tom good enough to swing left if necessary? Please build on this position group.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 16, 2025 at 10:37 am
Nixon should be kept, but talent should be added at CB so that he's not #1.
Will MLF ever use TE enough to justify keeping both #85 and 88? I'd love to see it but I also have my doubts. If MLF just can't bring himself to ever do it, there's something to be said for getting value out of #88 before he can get hurt again.
I want to see #7 and 56 on the field together.
NFLfan
January 15, 2025 at 11:08 am
Some of these under-performers were first-round picks, (Walker, Wyatt, Gary, LVN,Clark) and I think the greatest hurdle is convincing Gutekunst to demote a few & let others go. I would give LVN the offseason to work w/a good coach and improve. If he cannot, I would let him go. Gary underperforms in the PR-perhaps a contract re-structure?
-Keep Wyatt as back-up
-Cut ties w/Clark
-Keep working w/Bullard.
I would not let Keisean think he is CB#1-he is a back-up IMO.
-Keep Valentine as a back-up CB
-Keep Doubs for now, he is reliable, though the concussions are troubling.
-Trade Watson-he is just not durable enough
-Walker???
4thand10
January 15, 2025 at 10:19 pm
I don’t even think Nixon is a back up cb. He doesn’t have the speed to keep up with the Jeffersons of the nfl world which in turn makes him more suitable for safety…as I said last year. Stokes coming off injury, getting his feet back and rust knocked off…I’d give him a shot. Valentine will learn from the stiff arm…he has the speed to keep up with some of the fastest…perfect? No. But at this stage when they need bodies at CB, I’d keep him. I like Wooden and Brooks..and I’d cut ties with Clark. I’ve seen enough of Watson and a couple of good games don’t justify the injuries and drops. If this Draft is deep in DL, keep Slayton, Wooden and Brooks and Maybe Wyatt but a big DL or 2 is a must in this draft.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 16, 2025 at 10:39 am
LVN & # 52 both have the exact same work to do, they should work with a specialist together.
TOMMY'63
January 16, 2025 at 12:06 pm
This fc,has to make changes, if it wants to win the nfc north next season! Detroit, Minnesota are better than us,Chicago shall have a new coaching, higher picks in next draft, $$$$ for free agency with a better qb! Chicago will improve the ol , the pack 3rd or 4th in division next year ,we ain't going anywhere, we got lucky this season in games where the opposition missed ol,dl,wr,etc and barely won,could have finished 6-11 easily, we're not well coached either, I don't see improvement next year! Our veterans, massively extended contracts $$$, not much quality played this season, you people here think differently? I don't, the pack will do FUCK ALL NEXT YEAR, BELIEVE IT!3RD OR 4TH IN DEVISION,WE AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH to WIN IT ALL!
LambeauPlain
January 15, 2025 at 11:08 am
"General Manager Brian Gutekunst has some gut-check decisions to make..."
Kind of. Again, he is General Manager of Player Personnel, but if he wants to adjust the roster he can be flanked by Lafleur and Ball making their case to Murphy to prevent a Gute move(s). At least until July when Murphy retires. Then Ed Policy will hopefully make Gute a real GM.
I believe that happened in 2022 when Denver was offering all that gold to acquire Rodgers.
Off topic a bit, but Milt Hendrickson is Director of Football Operations and reports to Gute. Meanwhile Russ Ball
is Executive VP and Director of Football Operations. Maybe one of them has responsibility for surgical operations? IDK.
TOMMY'63
January 16, 2025 at 12:17 pm
What operations mate? This team ain't good enough mate,to better detroit,and Minnesota in the division, Chicago can possibly better us next season too! THE PACK WILL DO FUCK ALL!
bassrock
January 18, 2025 at 01:40 pm
Why don't you take your crappy attitude and piss poor language to a Bears site than. If sounding like a moron is your thing you are doing a great job at it.
NFLfan
January 15, 2025 at 11:17 am
I don't fully trust Gute with early round Draft picks. His most recent choice of (3rd-rounder)Ty-Ronn Hopper shows me he still has a tendency to go rogue.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 08:56 am
Hopper has barely played and we saw little of him in camp due to injury. He played 18 defensive snaps in the regular season all in garbage time . 11 of those were coverage. PFF gave him a 60 (average) grade (I can’t claim to have really looked). That’s pretty good in the circumstances, if not really significant.
How on earth did you detect a tendency to “go rogue” over those 18 snaps? If he made errors (again, not something I’ve tracked), it’s much more likely the fact that he’s a rookie with under 20 snaps in the league and not much camp not knowing what he’s doing.
We have enough genuine questions without making up new ones.
Coldworld
January 15, 2025 at 11:32 am
A bit rough on Bullard. He’s got a coverage learning curve definitely, but he’s physical and tackles and was a rookie. It takes 3 years to judge a draft for a reason. Musgrave needs to show up and stay healthy, but too early to pass him by. Even LVN deserves another chance to get it and diversify. A different coach might help.
The bigger questions are the older players. Jaire, Clark, Gary. They are paid more and didn’t carry us commensurately through injury, schematic fit (personally or as a group) or maybe decline. That’s not a call an outsider can make, but the team had to and then work out its options.
AustinKrueger
January 15, 2025 at 01:24 pm
I think Bullard will be fine and as I called out, yes, his contributions playing up at the line and against the run have been tremendous! but Green Bay is going to have big shakeups at CB this offseason and if Bullard can't put it together as a slot corner in coverage, Williams seems to be the guy at safety with X which puts Bullard in a weird spot. That said, nowhere near worried yet and love his upside!
jannesbjornson
January 15, 2025 at 02:14 pm
I guess if he's playing rover for a college defense, he fits in. He's a liability in coverage. Calen Bullock and Kam Kinchens were still on the board. Both better cover safeties. Veach bagged Jaden Hicks in Rd Four for the Chiefs. All these guys produced INTs for their squads. Mustapha for the 49rs is better.
Coldworld
January 15, 2025 at 02:31 pm
Williams seems like a plus cover safety. That’s a huge win. Safeties often take time to master that, a prime example being Collins. I recognize that Bullard is an excellent tackler, which has value. I’m willing to see if he can improve coverage.
jannesbjornson
January 16, 2025 at 08:23 am
Tacklers can be found in Rds 4-6 and play special teams. The point is this guy passed over superior FS talent worried about replacing stalwarts like Savage & Owens.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:00 am
Tacklers are a dime a dozen at db? That’s a dubious assertion in today’s NFL. Bullard wasn’t my choice either, but neither was Williams. With hindsight I’d take Williams before anyone you named as well as Bullard. If the picks were reversed then it would appear we’d aced it. If that’s the result, the order didn’t matter, only the outcome.
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 06:26 am
The comparative coverage/INT statistics do not support your claim. Williams is a good guy to have around the back end, but he will be a concern with his concussion issues going forward. It is all about making Plays.
Packers0808
January 15, 2025 at 12:01 pm
After all the kicker problems I would think McManus should be with the untouchables!
T7Steve
January 15, 2025 at 12:11 pm
I think he has to have a new contract and might be able to test the market, so it's too early to tell. I hope they can get him. We don't want to have to start over again.
Coldworld
January 15, 2025 at 02:32 pm
He would be my first transaction.
stockholder
January 15, 2025 at 12:16 pm
Your just wrong about Walker-
His teammates Love him.
The eagles scored when he went out.
Lets just hang everyone now.
Help the Bears catch us so, MLF gets Fired.
Bitternotsour
January 15, 2025 at 01:08 pm
Walker gets too much grief. The defense was so much better on his return.
murf7777
January 16, 2025 at 08:21 am
I agree, his speed with Cooper makes them extremely hard for teams to get to the edge for a big play. Keep working on training the pass coverage with him.
AustinKrueger
January 15, 2025 at 01:22 pm
I can't tell if this is satire. Walker was bad (and has been bad for 3 years) until Cooper started playing more his year. Walker looking better is more a testament to Cooper's presence than Walker's sudden snap improvement. He's one of the most expendable players on the roster in terms of production, positional value, and he just lost his job to a rookie who actually looks the part of a great off ball linebacker. Quay never has sniffed the levels of play Cooper brought on day 1. Keep him around if he ends up being cheap but Green Bay will more than likely decline his 5th year option because he's not worth that type of money. Which means his tenure in GB is far from safe long term
stockholder
January 15, 2025 at 06:05 pm
Preposterous.
Walker has led the team in Tackles
the last 3 years.
.Cooper never will.
Cooper must blitz and play near the line.
He can't unless Walker is in there.
Walker went through D failures and a DC change.
He'll be here as long as Gute can afford him.
jannesbjornson
January 16, 2025 at 08:27 am
Cooper is a better player. He is dynamic and smarter.
stockholder
January 16, 2025 at 09:41 am
Smarter- - That is the key word.
Yes Quay's done some bonehead things.
But he was a OLB now playing in.
WE need him Jb.
Because it will be interesting if
Cooper can hold up without help.
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 06:38 am
Trade him and bring in Barton from Utah, or Stutsman from Oklahoma. Thumpers.
Rhah
January 15, 2025 at 08:54 pm
I don't think Cooper took Walkers job. They both played a lot against Philly. Walker in the middle and Cooper outside with McDuffie at times. Not saying Cooper isn't way better, but saying Walker lost his job to anyone is wrong. Walker played 100% when healthy. Cooper took over for Wilson and McDuffie.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:06 am
If Walker did not play, Wilson did. Those are the two who played Mike. Wilson is more limited, but played very well despite playing 20+ ST snaps even when starting. I hope we bring him back to give us those options again.
As to Walker, he’s got everything but the ability to read the field. If he clicks you’ve got a hell of a player, but will he ever? Collins did, others never have. There is no way to know. Another year in the new approach may help.
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 06:31 am
Wilson needs to stay on the squad. He and Cooper ran the inside pressure scheme well together. McDuffie will probably be replaced by a thumper.
fireball
January 15, 2025 at 12:47 pm
why no mention of Malik Willis? Odd not mention a potential starting quarterback and, at the very least, an excellent second string quarterback.
EnemyTerritory
January 15, 2025 at 07:06 pm
Excellent point particularly for the burn it down and cut Love crowd.
How about MarShawn Lloyd? Too injury prone (lol)? Someone else mentioned McManus who I’d put as a must re-sign.
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 06:43 am
The opportunity cost of Lloyd sitting out the year was not selecting Bucky Irving who stood out like a neon light in a snowfield as a big time Playmaker with electric speed and mobility. Tampa got it right, the draft frauds, didn't.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:15 am
I’d hang on to Willis without doubt, but if we get a really good offer from a team who wants to start, then I think we move on from him rather than rent him for a year. I think that such an offer could actually happen. For that reason I don’t se him as untouchable despite being optimal for next year.
Turophile
January 15, 2025 at 12:58 pm
At 29 years old now, Elgton Jenkins, in terms of ability, is not truly untouchable for a guard due to make $17m next year. BUT, it would cost more to move on from him than it would save, for the 2025 season.
With his cap number in 2026 rising to $24.8m and a potential saving of $20m if let go (but with $4.8m dead money) I'd guess there is either a restructure, or the Packers move on. When salaries are tight (as they always will be with a top price QB) and you are looking to recoup money wherever you can, a guard is not the most valued position.
May I suggest a word check before putting a post up. 'running a muck' should be running amuck or more commonly, amok. Similarly, instead of 'bonified', you want bona fide (meaning genuine, or real) - bonified is an obsolete word.
Bitternotsour
January 15, 2025 at 01:11 pm
restructure and a move to center? easier to justify that salary at either tackle or center.
AustinKrueger
January 15, 2025 at 01:18 pm
If the Packers move off Jenkins, they introduce unknowns at both center and left guard rather than have an All-Pro caliber LG who could slide to center to give you elite center play and open the path to Morgan at LG. Jenkins spot on the line is as safe as it gets. Packers would put themselves in a horrible spot to move off him and that type of move has next to near justification to begin with. He was again top graded guard in pass pro. That's all why he's untouchable. No GM in their right mind is moving off him and you're going to have to pay your best lineman so contract wise, he's not an issue and he's performing to it
Turophile
January 15, 2025 at 01:59 pm
The real question I'm asking is not really related to his talent - and I did say there is no point letting him go in 2025.
HOWEVER, with his cost for the 2026 season being what it is, it is very possible indeed that his last season with the Packers, is 2025.
stockholder
January 15, 2025 at 06:12 pm
Sorry - but I'd trade Jenkins and
push Morgan.
His body won't hold up.
The shoulder hit was the warning.
He'll never get back to being an All-Pro.
I
AnotherPackFan
January 15, 2025 at 06:30 pm
Jenkins has not played at an All-Pro level for the past 2 seasons. He has been just OK level LG. We can't completely remake the OL in one offseason and his contract will keep him on the team for 2025.
But unless he dramatically improves next season I think it is safe to say he will not be on the team for 2026 ( unless there is a dramatic re-structure of his contract ).
NitschkeFromTheGrave
January 15, 2025 at 01:15 pm
Lukas Van Ness - Hangs by a thread.
Rasheed Walker - Bags packed waiting for phone to ring.
Devonte Wyatt - not worthy of even a minimum offer.
Eric Stokes - can't cover a kid on a bike in a parking stall and can't hit with enough to hurt a mosquito.
Carrington Valentine - Run him out of town and throw a party.
Team seriously needs to upgrade the talent.
Packers0808
January 15, 2025 at 01:49 pm
Your brain dead with Nitschke?
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:21 am
Walker was really good in the passing game. If he could become better in the run game, he’d actually be seen as elite. He did show some signs of that later this season. He was our only OL to play well against Philly and our best versus Chicago.
I don’t understand this at all. I’d keep him unless he commands elite money from team that thinks they can improve his run game. I think coaching could well be holding that back too, making the proposition plausible.
EricTorkelson
January 15, 2025 at 04:10 pm
OK BackInTheGrave ... so you dump your left tackle ? and replace him with ... um um ...Travis Glover ?
Lphill
January 15, 2025 at 01:47 pm
Walker is better as long as Cooper is calling the plays, Nixon as our number one corner is scary that is unacceptable .
HarryHodag
January 15, 2025 at 02:04 pm
This article is a variation on 'fire everybody' crowd that comes forward during bad times.
Here's my take on the offensive line: all are keepers except Myers who is likely to move on. For the right price he could stay. If he goes, Jenkins will move to center(his natural position) and Morgan will move to left guard.
Gute drafts a year in advance if you look at his past drafts. I don't get the dissing of Walker and Rhyan. Both are strong and stable(and affordable). Zach Tom actually was the one who regressed a bit this year. This group is effective and affordable.
"Wyatt, Van Ness, Walker, and Valentine all bring extremely valuable talent to the Packers. However, they are all also at far greater risk of being traded and replaced than others in their positions." This sentence is head scratching for certain. It's like saying my favorite ice cream is vanilla but don't ever serve me vanilla ice cream because I hate it." The Packers have 7 or 8 draft picks and limited money for free agency. You can replace all them given those odds? The Packers need help at the edge but it's not an either/or. Van Ness might be best in the same role he had at Iowa as a situational player.
I don't think the team will move on from Musgrave this off season. You never have enough talent at tight end. Perhaps his role is as a second tight end and with fewer snaps a lesser chance to get hurt.
Watson has to go. Three years of drops and injuries are enough. With Doubs future in question the Packers absolutely must draft a wide receiver or get one via FA.
Edge rushers don't grow on trees. Gary is far too good to not be considered a 'keeper'.
Clark has lost a step but his contract prevents him from being moved. They need to draft a man mountain for the middle, especially if Slaton moves on in FA.
Alexander will likely be gone this offseason for the same reason Watson has to go: hurt too often. His contract is big but they have to eat it and move on. Stokes is also likely gone so a corner back is essential to address this off season.
It's nice to think you can purge more than half of the starters for one reason or another. But for the same reason as the 'fire everybody' crowd is wrong, there is no guarantee that you have a better replacement waiting in the wings. The Packers defense was better this year. Now a change of coaches on the offensive side of the ball is required.
AustinKrueger
January 15, 2025 at 07:34 pm
I’m the furthest thing from the “fire everybody” crowd. In fact, I despise that crowd. I also don’t know what’s confusing about saying Wyatt, Van Ness, Walker and Valentine are more likely trade candidates than Gary, Clark, Nixon and Jenkins/Tom/Morgan? That doesn’t negate they all still being talented?
I’m thinking you read way too deep into this lol I’m simply saying who is completely untouchable as building blocks to the future based off everything we know and giving reason as to why other players should not be considered untouchable.
HarryHodag
January 16, 2025 at 04:36 pm
None of them are likely trade candidates so why bother?
crayzpackfan
January 15, 2025 at 02:13 pm
My question is, if all this talent is under performing, regressing or not making progress, shouldn't we be looking more at the coaches being put into the Nothing Guaranteed section minus the DC and 2-3 position coaches?
You gave Gary an out because he's being asked to play run support while in the same breath saying LVN isn't getting to the QB enough. Isn't LVN also being asked to play the run as he is of Gary?
My issue is why sign or trade for anyone if they are only coming to a team full of 2nd rate coaches, if that is true? If it is true, then we need to dump all these injury prone players, high contract low production players, not move any money into the future, clear our cap too 100 million in the good, start building draft capital and bring in the best HC money can buy and start over.
Or...
What I think will happen is GB is gonna ride this out another year until the new CEO is well in his seat. He will either keep the current silo structure the same or go back to the Harlan days and give the GM full ownership of all the football operations (God I hope so) and GB will have a 7 to 9 win season, miss the playoffs and that GM will probably have a mandate for change. Jordon Love has a lot to do with how this all plays out too. I can see a scenario where if Love doesn't work out next year and things are really bad, I can see a sweeping change from GM, coaches, and QB all going into the 2026 season.
AustinKrueger
January 15, 2025 at 07:38 pm
I’m not giving Gary an out and being hypocritical towards Van Ness because Gary was a legitimate star in run defense this year, Van Ness was practically non existent. But yeah I think early they were all doing way too many long stunts that prevented them from getting to the QB.
On the coaches, again, I think legit only Packer fans have issues with the coaches. Lafleur would have 27-28 teams lining up out the door to bring him in and the Jets want to interview Hafley after on season of being a DC. That’s insane! Pettine and Barry for 0 interviews combined.
I tried to preface that I don’t think really any of these players are going anywhere, only explaining why they aren’t untouchable and if approached, why the Packers should/should not consider moving them to bring in a premium upgrade or draft pick. Definitely curious how the front office plays out as well!
crayzpackfan
January 16, 2025 at 08:36 am
AK
27-28 teams lining up? That is absolutely nuts. Say it out loud. 27-28 teams? Good Lord you think really highly of him. Maybe as an OC, but a HC?
4thand10
January 15, 2025 at 09:51 pm
How many QBs make it to playoffs in their 1st year and 2nd year starting? Is he perfect? No Is he a work in progress heading into his 3rd year starting ? Yes.
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 06:56 am
Well, C.J.Stroud, Purdy and most likely Jayden Daniels and Bo Nix, for starters.
splitpea1
January 15, 2025 at 03:30 pm
It will be interesting to see how the Packers navigate through the logjam of defensive linemen and edge rushers. One name I did not see mentioned was Karl Brooks. He may not have "untouchable" status or close to it, but he's still a pretty valuable player as far as hustle plays such as fumble recoveries, and of course, the blocked FG that kept us from going winless in the division. I still see him as an important part of the rotation.
Other names: Wooden: We'll probably adding a DL in the draft (at least I hope so), so where does that leave him?
Van Ness: Unless the coaches are firmly convinced that he can up his game significantly--and soon--I would think he would be highly "touchable" provided Gute can persuaded of this as well (probably not). LVN had more defensive snaps this year and produced less from a pash rush aspect. If we don't get more from him, then it has to be from someone else either in the draft or free agency.
crayzpackfan
January 15, 2025 at 03:45 pm
I wonder if there is any way in hell we would be able to trade for Max Crosby. Jacobs said he's gonna be doing some recruiting this offseason. Who else could he mean but Max? I'm at least curious anyway.
splitpea1
January 15, 2025 at 05:35 pm
That idea has me salivating. It would also add some personality and leadership to our defense. But I don't know how realistic it is.
AnotherPackFan
January 15, 2025 at 06:37 pm
I think we all recognize that Max Crosby is an excellent player at a position the Packers could use an upgrade for. But the Raiders wouldn't trade him unless you made them a very big offer. So the Packers giving up a load of draft picks and picking up a $28 million salary cap hit is tough to swallow.
Very little draft capital and money cap space left to improve the roster anyplace else in the offseason if they make a move like that.
4thand10
January 15, 2025 at 09:47 pm
He’s a fairly smart player….Id almost consider ( and please don’t murder me for this) moving him to a linebacker spot….especially if McDuffie is let go. I mean he has speed and I think can be taught to diagnose. After this season…I don’t see much value having him as a defensive end if there’s no pressure or getting washed out by a TE. But in a linebacker spot he might actually thrive.
EricTorkelson
January 15, 2025 at 04:51 pm
This will draw the Ire of cheesehead posters but Rashead Walker at left tackle would be closer to an untouchable then Zack Tom
Why ... both players gave up only three registered sack in 24 but RW faced the elite left side pass rushers. Toms PFF score is excellent but he wasn't even chosen as an alternative for the pro bowl ? That means 2/3 of the vote by players and coaches did not vote for Tom. I am not nocking ZT he has great feet/balance but with skinny legs he cannot anchor inside as guard or center ( yes anatomy does matter ) they cannot pay or would be foolish to pay Tom left tackle money they may have to let some other team give him a huge contract...Besides In Morgan they already have his replacement... IMHO
sugarbair
January 15, 2025 at 06:04 pm
The O-Line needs to get better. I'm guessing 2 maybe 3 new faces. With possibly who ever remains not playing the same position. this group has to be able to handle the likes of Detroit, Philadelphia and the likes. Sometimes popular players leave to improve the team. Just saying.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:26 am
Tom is far better in the run game despite his size. I’m pro Walker but realistically Tom is the better overall T at this point.
PackyCheese500
January 15, 2025 at 10:42 pm
The only free agents I'd re-sign are McManus (great kicker) and Eric Wilson (good backup/STer). Trade Jaire to a CB-needy team like the Colts or Jags and sign DJ Reed in free agency. Having a #1 CB doesn't matter if they can't stay healthy, and Reed has been very consistent.
We also need a true #1 WR. If the Jets release Davante (which they'll almost certainly do), I think he makes the most sense to bring in. He wouldn't be as expensive at 32 years old and has said he'd be interested in coming back.
As far as the draft, I like some of Mississippi's players - DT Walter Nolen and CB Trey Amos are two that Gutey should keep his eyes on.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:35 am
McManus, Wilson, Anderson are the three I’d definitively like to see back. A capable Mike back up and elite STer, a seemingly competent (small sample) cover S and elite STer and a competent kicker.
Based on camp, I’d not be unhappy to see Rochell back, also a good STer. Slaton is the other. In some ways that depends on what they ask of him, but he was quietly very effective at some things, even against Philly.
Other than McManus, Slaton, I’d expect most to be relatively cheap and on contracts we could move on from in August if we find better. Wilson played a lot and was graded as a slightly above average starter by PFF, for example, he might command a little more.
Ferrari-Driver
January 16, 2025 at 12:04 am
Untouchables? I'll tell you how I would like to be untouchable is our defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley whose defense finished in the top 5 of the NFL this year as opposed to 17th last year. However, I just read that the New York Jets are going to interview Hafley for their head coach. While I don't like to root against anyone from advancing their career, I would love to see Hafley be our defensive coordinator for a few more years.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 10:59 am
While I think Hafley would be mad not to interview, he’d be madder to take it if he believes in himself. If he continues to progress as a DC, his opportunities will come with better organizations and rosters. The Jets have the hallmark of a poison challis. I can see no earthly reason why he would feel the need to jump there in his situation.
Bitternotsour
January 16, 2025 at 11:09 am
So, you'd turn down a (minimum) 5x salary increase? I think not. Get to run your own show, likely have a GM who you're aligned with. What's he got to lose. You must really lack ambition if you'd turn down the job of a lifetime.
If it's such a bad job why are people taking interviews?
Caseys1818
January 16, 2025 at 08:17 am
Go after Asante Samuel jr. keep Nixon and valentine. Alexander is so talented but he’s a cancer. Pipe dream but max Crosby an Higgins would be great. Than address the center position. Love an lafleur not going anywhere so hopefully they get better.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 09:45 am
At this, very early in the draft digging process for me, a WR who may justify us using a round one pick is Tetairoa McMillan as a size/speed threat.
However, while he’s got all you might want in terms of size, ball tracking and hands, the question is speed. The combine will be key. If he runs 4.4 or better we will have no chance at him. If he’s 4.5, will he translate well enough for us as a size/speed option to want him with an early pick and how far might he drop?
jannesbjornson
January 17, 2025 at 07:04 am
Most have him going in the top five picks.
stanthemanwiththeplan
January 16, 2025 at 10:54 am
Malik Willis should be an untouchable over Jordan Love as he objectively played better this year. Love is only in that list because of the money he's receiving, which is dumb. Untouchability status should be purely based off performance.
Coldworld
January 16, 2025 at 11:22 am
Aaron Rodgers in his second regular season as a starter, 2009:
Rating 103.2, QBR 69.1
Completion percentage 64.7
8.2 yards per completion
30 passing TDs
7 interceptions
16 games
Love this year;
Rating 96.7 QBR. 69.5.
Completion percentage 63.1
8 yards per completion
25 passing TDs
11 interceptions
15 games.
Not all that much in it really. The difference is we know what Rodgers became. For amusement, Willis outshone them both: with a rating of 124.8 and QBR of 79.6. Would Willis have been better than 2009 Rodgers too?
Love is on a learning curve. We don’t know how steep that will be or how high it will go, but even Rodgers, a HoF certainty had one and there reasons to suspect his was steeper (faster) than the norm not merely higher in the end.
At comparable points in their careers, there is not a whole lot in it, despite a disappointing season from Love and the offense generally. It’s pretty obvious that Love was not the sole issue on this offense this year.
stanthemanwiththeplan
January 16, 2025 at 11:59 am
Thanks for acknowledging Willis' exceptional performance this year, especially given how hard it is to jump in without notice as a backup QB.
I'm still hopeful on Love, but we DO need to see more from him before he becomes "untouchable" IMO.
Maybe he can learn from Willis?
Bitternotsour
January 16, 2025 at 05:20 pm
Rodgers also had the advantage of working with Mike McCarthy who is a vastly superior coach than Matt LaFleur.
13TimeChamps
January 16, 2025 at 06:01 pm
Can we PLEASE stop the Rodgers 1st year/Love 1st year...Rodgers 2nd year/Love 2nd year comparisons?
I just don't understand the point of it. Different players, different coaching staffs, different rosters, different schedules, different opponents.
It's an irrelevant exercise in futility that has zero insight into the Packers moving forward.
Packerpasty
January 16, 2025 at 06:40 pm
I agree, stop with those useless comparisons, and while we're at it, it will be so nice not to hear "young team" excuse next year...its just stupid...two years of that excuse is enough...some teams wish they were younger....
ko40489
January 16, 2025 at 04:12 pm
Seems like WAY too many misses on first round picks. Gutey has made up for it with some good late round picks and a couple free agents. But think what this team could be if he got his act together in the first (and the third) round.
bassrock
January 18, 2025 at 01:34 pm
Jordan Love in a banged up season still developing into what appears will be an elite quarterback. I don't know what you were watching or if you're just a homer but he looked far from an elite QB and our back up looked better than him. I would take Willis over Love in play and how the team reacts to his energy.