Packers Snap Counts Vs. Philly: Week 10, 2025

The Packers forget to put gas in the tank and lose to the Eagles.

 

The Packers signed Edge Arron Mosby and TE Josh Whyle to the 53-man roster to replace TE Tucker Kraft, who was placed on injured reserve.  The Packers also signed TE McCallan Castles, TE Drqake Dabney, and WR Michael Woods to the practice squad.  They released OC Lecitus Smith from the practice squad.  The Packers 53-man roster and practice squad are now full. 

The Packers elevated LB Kristian Welch from the PS.  DE Lucas Van Ness (foot), and WR Matthew Golden, and CB Nate Hobbs were inactive due to injury.  OL Donovan Jennings, OL Jacob Monk, and Kicker Lucas Havrisik were healthy scratches.  QB Malik Willis was active but did not play.

Center Elgton Jenkins left the game with an ankle injury in the second quarter and did not return.  Early indications are that Jenkins has a fractured leg.  He will probably go on IR.  Sean Ryan replaced Jenkins at center and the Packers will make Monk active on game days in future. Romeo Doubs left the game in the fourth quarter with a chest injury and also did not return.

 

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN:

Player Snaps % STs
Morgan 68 100 2/10%
Tom 68 100 2/10%
Walker 68 100 2/10%
Tom 68 100 2/10%
Rhyan 41 60 2/10%
Jenkins 27 40  
Kinnard 4 6 2/10%
Belton     2/10%

 

I wrote on Bleeding Green Nation that this game would be about weakness facing weakness. The stats suggest that Philly is bad defending against the run and that the Packers are a bad run-blocking team. Would LaFleur coach the team that he wishes he had or the team he actually possesses?   

The Packers' running backs gained 76 yards on 22 carries for a paltry 3.45-yard average, with 1 rushing TD and a long of 11.  Love added 28 yards on 5 carries with a long of 12, propping the average up to 3.85-yards per carry.  The line had a lot of trouble creating a crease for their running backs, much less getting downfield to block anyone on the second level.  I recall a toss to the right (with a good seal by a wide receiver and a good block by TE Whyle) and another nice toss to the left, which prompted a comment to keep running this play until Philadelphia stops it, but otherwise there were no explosive runs.  There was a nice run off right guard.  Pro Football Focus indicated that the Packers had 3 runs or 10 or more yards, good for a total of 34 rushing yards.  PFF liked Rasheed Walker (70 grade) and Jenkins (69 initial grade).

The Packers allowed 8 quarterback hits and 3 sacks.  The problem was there was no pocket for Love in the first half.  It collapsed before a pocket could form.  All 3 sacks occurred in the first half.  Banks in particular had trouble with delayed rushes and stunts.  Rasheed Walker had his usual complete whiff (though it was on a running play), but otherwise he was fine in pass pro.  That is why Love was 6 of 10 for a measly 39 yards and 3 sacks in the first half.  Since the running game was subpar, that meant there was no offense in the first half. 

The Packers made an adjustment during halftime that provided pretty good pass protection for Love in the second half.  It would have been nice if the offensive line coach could have fixed the protections during the first or second quarter, but better late than never.   The Packers lost the time of possession battle 17:12 to 12:48 in the first half, but split the time of possession very evenly in the second half. 

PFF indicated that the Packers allowed 23 pressures. That is a lot.  Rasheed Walker allowed 1 pressure, Jordan Morgan allowed 3 hurries, Sean Rhyan allowed 2 hurries, Tom allowed 3 hurries, Aaron Banks allowed 5 pressures (3 hurries and 2 QB hits).  I suspect that PFF put the blame for the 3 sacks on Jordan Love.    

There has been a lot of muttering over the play calling, as well.  There are reports that the Eagles called out the exact running play the Packers called on 4th and 1, but Love felt the inside zone run was the right play because the Eagles had a light box.  As someone pointed out, it doesn't matter if it is a "light box" if they know the play AND the line can't block anybody AND your running back fumbles it and you were lined up illegally. 

 

RUNNING BACKS:

 

Player Snaps % STs Routes Run Targets
Jacobs 50 74   25 6
Wilson 14 21   12 1
Brooks 6 9 16/80% 3 0

Josh Jacobs finished with 74 yards on 21 carries for a 3.45-yard average and 1 touchdown.  Jacobs caught 5 of his 6 targets for 33 yards, a 6.60-yard average per reception.  He had a bad fumble and a drop.  I saw a back that runs hard, and has to run hard to get any yards.  Emanuel Wilson carried the ball 1 times for 2 yards, and caught 1 of his 2 targets for 2 yards.  

 

QUARTERBACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
Love 68 100  
Willis DNP    

 

Love completed 20 of 36 (55.55%) for 176 yards (5.33 yards/attempt), with no interceptions or touchdowns.  He fumbled twice, losing one when the Packers were in scoring position.    He had a passer rating of 68.8.  Love had no big-time throws and at least 2 turnover-worthy throws.  He had 2 passes batted down, 2 throwaways, 1 spike, and 3 passes were dropped.  He gained 28 yards on 5 carries, 2 of which were designed runs.  Love did not cover himself in glory but he got precious little help from his teammates (or coaches).  PFF gave him an initial grade of 70.1.        

 

TIGHT ENDS:

Player Snaps % STs Routes Run Targets
Musgrave 52 76   34 3
Fitzpatrick 14 21   2 0
Whyle 6 9 3/15% 3 0

 

Musgrave caught all 3 of his targets for 23 yards and he drew a pass interference penalty.  I might not think Musgrave could have skied to bring that high pass in, but the referees gave the benefit of the doubt to Philly when they called Evan Williams for pass interference on what looked like an uncatchable pass.  That is a lot of routes for 23 yards.  Fitzpatrick and Whyle had no targets but Whyle threw a couple of nice blocks.

That is only 1.01 tight ends per play, way down from the Packers norm.  The Packers used 12 personnel very little in the absence of Kraft.         

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Player Snaps % STs Routes Run Targets
Watson 56 82   35 4
Wicks 44 65   29 6
Doubs 42 62 5/25% 23 4
Melton 26 38 14/70% 19 5
Heath 20 29   14 0
Williams 6 9 3/15% 5 2

 

Watson caught 2 of his 4 targets for 45 yards with a long of 25.  He had a 22-yard pass reception erased by an illegal formation penalty.  Doubs caught 1of his 4 targets for 5 yards.  Love tried to force some passes to Doubs even though he was well covered.  I wrote last week that with Kraft likely out for the foreseeable future, the Packers need some receivers who can help move the chains.  That did not happen.  Wicks came closest to moving the chains by catching 4 of 8 targets for 38 yards with a long of 20.  Melton caught 2 of his 5 passes for 28 yards, including a terrible drop of a 4th down pass.  Heath (14 routes, 15 blocking snaps) and Doubs (23 routes, 19 snaps blocking) did a lot of the dirty work.  Golden was inactive due to injury.  Savion Williams caught both of his targets for just 2 yards.  I am not a fan of Savion.  I don't think much of his kickoff returns, either.  His presence on the field telegraphs the play.  He should be getting a complete redshirt year, like Vernon Scott.  

Green Bay has too many receivers who would make really nice WR #3.

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLES:

Player Snaps % STs
Wyatt 41 65 2/10%
Wooden 37 59 2/10%
Brooks 32 51 8/40%
Brinson 9 14 2/10%
Stackhouse 4 6  

Wyatt had 3 solo tackles and a tackle for loss.  Wooden had 5 tackles (3 solo) with a tackle for loss.  Brooks had 3 tackles (2 solo).  Brinson and Stackhouse had no official statistics, but PFF listed Stackhouse with the only pressure for a DT.  Wyatt had 3 stops and Wooden had 2 stops.  PFF gave Wooden an 83 initial grade.  The Packers limited the Eagles' running backs to 2.90 yards per carry.  That is a good day for the defensive tackles.  

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % STs
Parsons 53 84  
Gary 38 60  
Enagbare 33 52 11/55%
Sorrell 7 11 3/15%
Mosby     18/90%

 

Parsons had 2 tackles (1 solo). PFF listed him with 7 hurries in 27 pass rushing snaps, a 25.9% success rate.  PFF gave him an 89.8 grade.  Gary had 4 tackles (1 solo) and 4 hurries on 19 pass rushes, a 21% success rate.  He had 1 stop.  Enagbare had 3 tackles (1 solo) and 2 stops.  He had no hurries on 11 pass rushes.  Sorrell had 2 assisted tackles, 2 stops, and no hurries.  Sorrell only got 1 pass rushing snap.  

PFF listed Hurts as taking 3.53 seconds to pass, on average.  [For context, they listed Love at 2.93 seconds.]  That would be an eternity, to the point where I wonder if it is a misprint.  That time for Love seems way too long.

 

LINEBACKERS:

Players Snaps % STs
Walker 63 100 2/10%
Cooper 62 98 2/10%
McDuffie 31 49 18/90%
Hopper     16/80%
Welch     12/60%

 

Walker had 6 tackles (5 solo) and 2 tackles for loss.  Cooper had 6 tackles (2 solo) and a forced fumble that led to a turnover and saved points.  McDuffie had 4 tackles (2 solo) and 2 more assisted tackles on special teams.  Hopper and Welch each had an assisted tackle on special teams.  PFF listed Walker with 5 stops and Cooper with 2 stops.  The Eagles played a lot of snaps with an extra lineman or 2 tight ends, and the Packers countered by playing McDuffie a lot.

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

Player Snaps % STs
McKinney 63 100 3/15%
Nixon 63 100 3/15%
Valentine 63 100 1/5%
Williams 54 86 7/35%
Bullard 38 60 8/40%
Olapado 1 2 7/35%
Anderson  1 2 16/80%
Hadden     6/30%

 

Mckinney had 7 tackles (4 solo) and 2 stops.  Evan Williams had 6 tackles (4 solo) and 2 tackles for loss.  He had pretty good coverage but he gave up a touchdown when he was one on one with Devonta Smith, and he also was called for pass interference.  Nixon had 4 tackles (2 solo), a pass defensed, and a fumble recovery.  He also infuriated me by giving an enormous cushion on 3rd and 12, which allowed an easy pitch and catch for 16 yards late in the fourth quarter.  That was a gotta-have-it moment.  Valentine had 1 solo tackle.  Saquon Barkley juked him out of his shoes on a one on one in the open field, with Barkley having a full head of steam.  Barkley makes a lot of people miss when he has a two-way go and a full head of steam, but that is also the knock on Valentine.  It was a big play followed by another big play for the Eagles only touchdown.  Bullard had 3 solo tackles and a stop.    

 

Photo courtesy of Mark Hoffman of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel/USA Today Network.

Statistics coutesy of NFLgsis and PFF.

OL: 5.06

RB: 1.03

TE: 1.01

WR: 2.85

DT: 1.95

DE: 2.08

LB: 2.33

DB: 4.67

 

 

 

 

 

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barutanseijin's picture

November 11, 2025 at 06:15 am

I’m with you on Savion Williams. They needed OL talent more than they need whatever he has. Not sure what exactly he brings to the team.

Any word on the baffling kicker situation? We can’t be getting the whole story.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:53 am

Once or twice, they've released Williams underneath on crossers and tried to get him the ball on the run under the coverage. I think that's what needs to start happening more when they put him on the field, otherwise all they're doing is these jet/sweep action looks and it's pretty predictable.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:37 am

Love won't be able to get him the ball because of all the hands in his face blocking the flight paths.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:53 am

If the Packers would more consistently get love the 3-step drops and the ball out on rhythm that will be less of a problem. Blocking is predicated in those cases on tackles pushing outside rushers wide and clearing throwing lanes.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 09:59 am

Back in Rodgers last year we were all begging for that and blamed Rodgers. With the same problem and no Rodgers we now see the same failings on the OL and in LaFleur’s calling exacerbating that.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 09:54 am

Williams was a gamble for the future on a tremendous athlete who is not really yet a WR. A strange pick for this year and urgency. However, his usage is no less baffling. We basically don’t even try to use him beyond 5 yards.

I’ve no idea what is going on in terms of who is kicking, but that last snap seemed the problem live (I say that doubting either kicker would have succeeded even if fully healthy anyway due to wind gusts and temperatures).

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dblbogey's picture

November 11, 2025 at 12:16 pm

Drafted Jordan Morgan 1st round in '24. Drafted Belton 2nd round '25. They knew they needed talent, but they didn't pick the right guys. Morgan is a mediocre guard, couldn't beat out Walker as LT. Belton played 0 snaps this week again. With a poor OL, Belton still isn't better than any of them?

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 01:17 pm

He’s not trained except at T. He’s not better than Tom or Walker at this point. Would he have been a better option at G? Quite possibly, but not without some time to learn the position. Our personnel choices backed us into a hole with him this year.

Not that that is new on the OL, or unique. We didn’t give Morgan time at RT and hadn’t before, but we trotted him out there disastrously nevertheless. Just as we had with Nijman, who they inferred could not make the transition. With tremendous irony, Nijman played really well against us as a RT this season. Yet another repeating pattern of incompetence/lack of vision or planning.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 11, 2025 at 06:23 am

I was watching the highlights on youtube. It looks like Banks had a brutal day. Jordan Morgan missed a block in his haste to get to the second level, but it did not matter as two Eagles penetrated into the backfield to confront Jacobs almost before he got the hand off.

Whyle had a nice block early on a run around right end and then another block at 1:46 or so left in the 3rd quarter for 11 yards. Pocket looked much better in the second half. That is why I chose a photo of Luke Butkus. GB wasted a whole half because the line protections were hopeless in the first half, why I know not.

I thought Milt Hendrickson was the OL draft guru. I see he has been bumped up to Director of Football operations. Not sure if that's just a fancy title, but get the guy out looking at OL prospects. I am not sure whether the problem is drafting or coaching or what they are asking the players to do. I remember looking at Banks' film when he was in SF and noting that he can't pull at all and ain't great blocking on the move. getting to the second level is a chore for him. Maybe he looked better playing next to Trent Williams. Rasheed had two plays where he whiffed.

I certainly am not a believer in Philly. There is no dominant team. Every team can lose to almost anyone. The eagles fans were so worried about their CB #2 that they were fine with trading for Jaire Alexander and picking up his salary, although that's only $1M dollars for the rest of 2025.

Why were the Packers always throwing at Quinyon Mitchell? Adoree Jackson (PFF grade 47) sucks and Jackson played 56 snaps (82%)??? Safety andrew Mukuba (PFF 52) sucks pretty bad, too. Play after play we picked on Quinyn Mitchell. Find the mismatch, and pick on that fish!!!!

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:40 am

Do you think that Maybe PFF was averaging the time while Hurts was scrambling around and dumping off the ball? I wouldn't or at least haven't considered that "time to pass". I only count time in the pocket. Over 3 and he would have been carving up the Packers. Along those same lines while Love was under 3, he had people around and in his face at close to 2.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 06:29 am

LOL, TGR. What does 3+3+1+6 (Jacobs' TD) add up to? That's ok because it was a confusing game. Edit: I see it's been fixed even before I posted. Must have been left there form last week.

"The line had a lot of trouble creating a crease for their running backs, much less getting downfield to block anyone on the second level." This, like the collapsed blocking that caused Kraft's injury is what caused Love to get tackled on the back of Jenkin's leg.

I thought the "game moment" came on the 4th and 9 dropped pass by Melton, but the D held. Still think a punt would have been better. The "game moment" came on the 4th down completion to Watson that was voided by an illegal formation. It happened another time too. I thought it was a good idea to do the heavy package with Kinnard (like the Eagles were doing), but it was either taught wrong in practice or the receivers that were subbing hadn't had a chance to practice it at all. Even if they hadn't, they would have to do the same formation if it was an actual tight end.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

November 11, 2025 at 06:47 am

Yeah, I know those penalties and drops came at some critical moments. I just had a tough time blaming 4 penalties for 20 yards for the loss.

I did not realize I should have been counting whiffs when I watched the highlights on youtube. I remembered Rasheed's, but then Banks had a couple and then Jordan Morgan had a couple. Whiffs = lose immediately. I saw another where both Tom and Rasheed have been beaten but they have at least pushed the pass rusher deep upfield, but all three interior offensive linemen have been pushed back. Love steps up but Nakobe Dean just sort of leans into him, and then the fumble. Just a blank moment when Love sees Jacobs standing near by and decided to try to do an Aaron Rodgers pass to Jacobs' feet.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:21 am

It wasn't the penalty so much as it was the closest they ever would have gotten to the goal line since Jacobs' TD. I just felt the wind leave me at that moment.

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murf7777's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:03 am

TGR, your comment was correct the penalties came at some critical moments. Unfortunately, in a game like this it is the difference between which team wins vs loses. Also, the drops were very bad as well. Love didn’t have his best game, made some bad decisions, but I don’t put the blame on him. Very hard for a QB to do much with inadequate, run game, pass catchers and a bad OL.

Mlf doesn’t help going for it on 4th and 9 and not playing the other kicker when McManus isn’t full strength.

Maybe after my frustrations settle down I’ll look at this offense differently. This is a game they should’ve won.

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GregC's picture

November 11, 2025 at 06:57 am

The run-oriented play-calling in the first half seemed almost maniacal. They got a couple of first downs on that first drive, but they really needed to mix it up. When they finally did start throwing a little more, the pass protection was terrible, but at least they were trying. Jordan Love does fine with a pocket that moves, but in this game the pocket kept collapsing, so he couldn't move away from the pressure. He wasn't able to step into his throws or see the whole field.

I could be wrong about this, but I thought Sean Rhyan played center just as well as Elgton Jenkins, or maybe even better. Jenkins has been a major disappointment this year.

I sure would've felt better having our record-setting kicker on the field at the end of the game, instead of our 34-year-old kicker who is coming off a quad injury.

Another thing I didn't feel good about was Luke Musgrave catching the ball short of the sticks on 3rd and long near the end of the game. It was clear that he was NOT going to break a tackle or even fall forward for the first down.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:25 am

Do you think that Musgrave just ran that rout too short or was that the way it was designed for a Kraft reception which would have worked?

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GregC's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:27 am

I dunno, maybe they were just thinking they had two plays to pick up the first down, and this would give them most of the yardage.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 10:02 am

That’s how I took it. I think the defenders set the depth too. They were going to hold the first down line from the outset I suspect and had he been deeper he may have been behind st least one and the throw precluded.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 11, 2025 at 01:32 pm

Musgrave has to extend to the sticks. This is Pro Football, learn your craft. Play to Win.

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Guam's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:34 am

Agreed that Rhyan played at least as well as Jenkins at center. Given his $20MM contract for next season (which would make him the highest paid center in the league), I think Jenkins has played his last game in Green Bay.

I am also hoping it is Butkus's last season in Green Bay. His pass protection schemes always seem flawed and he is slow to adjust them. The coaching is not helping an O-line that needs all the help it can get.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:51 am

For good or ill, it's likely to be a very different OL in 2026.

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dblbogey's picture

November 11, 2025 at 12:19 pm

Next year, we have Zach Tom and 4 big question marks for our O line.

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barutanseijin's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:08 am

I thought Rhyan was better. I think he created a little more space for Jacobs than Jenkins. The whole OL shuffleroo was a disaster.

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murf7777's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:09 am

Yes, in the first half, I was yelling, pass on first down. No creativity to keep the defense off balance.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:49 am

"which prompted a comment to keep running this play until Philadelphia stops it,"

When I made that comment I think we all knew what would happen: LaF put that play in his pocket and--whether it was called and audibled out or just never called--we didn't see it again. Holmgren had a maddening tendency to do this at times, too, but they were getting yards on that outside pitch which has been true most of this season. I don't know what they're saving it for.

Looks like Jenkins is done for the year with a broken leg. Rhyan will get a chance to make himself some money, yet, in his walk year, or the Packers will shuffle Tom over and lean into one of their reserve RTs. I found it interesting that when the Packers went with a 6th OL--which they haven't done very much this season--they went with Kinnard rather than the mauler Belton.

The secondary mostly played well. Yes, Nixon gave up that wide open look, but one really bad look over 60 minutes for your de facto CB1 isn't too shabby. Even the long TD was not an open look--Smith was covered, he just won the football. As you said: the knocks on Valentine were his rawness and but also his lack of tackling acumen. We've seen that play out a couple times over his years in GB.

Packers leaned heavily into 11 personnel in this one. I think that makes sense when they have Doubs and Golden available, but when they lost Doubs (and Golden didn't suit up), they were trying to win the game with Watson, Wicks, Heath, and Melton at WR and Musgrave at TE. I don't know the answer in that case when you're playing your first game with arguably the best TE in the league out, a regular rotational WR is inactive, and you lose your lead WR to injury in-game. I might actually like to see some 21 personnel--Brooks as a blocker to Jacobs/Wilson.

Your math is off a bit--about 2.5 LB per play and 4.5 DBs. Whether it was Philly's 2 TE and jumbo sets or just a desire to not have Barkley run away with the game, the Packers defense leaned more heavily into base personnel than normal.

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murf7777's picture

November 11, 2025 at 07:51 am

When teams are playing deep shell coverage against you and you still cannot run the ball and/or have time to get intermediate routes run you are going to have an anemic offense. This is the worst OL play that I’ve seen from the Packers in 30 years. Now, they lost arguably their best or second best OL. Not sure how the Packers fix that.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:00 am

They need to commit to opening up their offensive game plan. Instead of running for 3, throw for 7. The Packers might be playing down a couple key pass-catchers, but they need to lean into the players they've got and try to generate some rhythm and momentum.

Week after week--since Cleveland--we've seen the same thing: opponents shortening the game with defenses perfectly happy to let the Packers try to sustain drives...which they struggle to do because of stupid penalties and that one run call on each drive that gets blown up in the backfield leading to lousy down/distance. The Packers have now played 9 games--their average margin of win is over 7 points. They've lost 3 games by 3 FGs.

Not every defense is as good up front as Cleveland and some of these others. Especially not the horrid Giants who the Packers see next week. But if the Packers keep playing this style of game, they're going to play nail-biters every week and continue to look stunted and ineffective offensively.

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murf7777's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:14 am

Great remarks Dobber, We have what many think is one of the better QB’s in the game so let him play. I do hope when we get full strength at WR things will get much better. That said, the OL has to play better. I really didn’t see much of a pocket for Love to play from. Should they have rolled him out some to get time to throw and change it up some? I think they are just too predictable right now.

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dobber's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:57 am

"Should they have rolled him out some to get time to throw and change it up some?"

YES
YES
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YES!

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 10:07 am

This offense is designed and called eerily like that we saw in Rodgers last year and the first months of Loves first as a starter. So are the problems and the pressure placed on the OL and the inability to get any consistent production. We have been here before. That offense has failed every time and yet will not die.

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NFLfan's picture

November 11, 2025 at 08:18 am

LAME BALL: Brian Gutekunst is the architect of the dysfunctional O-Line and many other whiffed choices. He chose J Morgan, Banks, Belton, Hobbs when he had other choices. The OL 'improvements' per Gutekunst have left the OL completely impotent.

LAME BALL: MLF and his Offensive coaches.

I think Policy needs to step in right now and form a committee to bring in Offensive and OL coaching reinforcements--look in the college ranks if need be. This is a crisis. Better coaching is the only solution at this point.

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THESZOTMAN1's picture

November 11, 2025 at 09:05 am

Snap counts have never meant much to me, but TGR's commentary always spot on.
A couple of my thoughts:
Memo to Pack: You can't win games scoring ZERO points in the 1st half.
Is there any RB who can make something out of nothing better than JJ? (ATTN: O-line)
Musgrave ain't Kraft, but he contributed.
We kept a lid on BarKley's rushing yards, but he beat us with 41 yard screen. Good players are always gonna get theirs.
D got off field consistantly on 3rd and long. A revelation!
Final drive was total cluster. Ended not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Disgraceful. offensive performance this week. Last week it was D. How about we get on the same page for 4 quarters. Pipe dream under present circumstances.
Giants and Vikings await. Hope we don't play like Turkies v. Lions.
The Szotman

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 10:04 am

The main thing I look at is the total.

68-63. Even just do one play out of those five extra plays the D gave you and you win the game. Do five out of five and you have what the Rams are pulling off right now.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 10:38 am

The defensive performance last night was really beyond expectations. Not perfect, but very good against both the run and the pass and a talented offense.

The offensive performance was laughably bad in every aspect, from conception and execution but particularly in terms of ambition. We play low risk, low upside and last night largely had the occasional big play removed by both lack of attempts and the terrible OL play in combination. This O plays not to lose but has weapons better designed to risk losing. It’s just like the 2022 and the first half of 2023 and equally futile.

Overall, this offense is limited in its options outside of gadget plays, unimaginative and ineffective and has been for 90% of the quarters we’ve played no matter how good the Ds it has faced. That is despite only giving up 39 points in our three losses. We will not get better without a radical change in mindset.

However, we had that in late 2023 only for the old mindset to return in 2024 and 2025. Therefore we should see that this is likely to be the norm under LaFleur should he survive. Moreover, the OL failings are also repeats (and being exacerbated in the same ways). The survival of Butkus/Stenavich is as daft as the refusal to move on from Barry and Rebrovich.

LaFleur is done. The compounding factor now is that teams have figured this O out and realized he can’t pivot in game if they keep a 2 deep shell. Thus they are shutting us down more often and with less defensive talent at times than before and negating the genuine improvement in our defensive consistency and performance.

Am I the only person who thought that Love’s fumble at the close of the first half was an attempt to imitate Rodgers’ escape against us? Let’s unlearn that trick. It barely worked for Rodgers—a spit second earlier contact and you get last night’s outcome.

It’s time to clear house and that won’t change even if we trounce the post Daboll and Wilson led Giants. We are simply watching the outcome of not facing up to reality and buying a myth that has never really been supported by play over very different rosters.

LaFleur isn’t worse, he’s not better and the results are the same in terms of both origin and outcome. He will be gone absent a miracle. Unless that Miracle leads to a Super Bowl win, all the evidence points to it just being a late 2023 blip anyway and we may rue keeping him regardless.

We need to go back to the drawing board and change the mindset, culture and offensive philosophy and design. That’s not easy or guaranteed, but the results of not doing so are no longer in doubt. Get him out while we still have a realistic window. Give us a shot to win and be willing to take the risks that entails. The downside will not be materially worse than the present.

I would fire him now had we a credible offensive mind on the staff. Simply to shake things up, change up the plays and priorities within the existing system this year. The need for change is that fundamental and the talent we do have that poorly exploited.

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NFLfan's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:06 am

Who is the credible Offensive mind on staff? If it's Stenavich, I would say that is a downgrade.
GB will have to wait till the season ends.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:52 am

Who indeed? There is no obvious offensive riser on this staff, unsurprisingly.

Promote Hafley to HC. Give Hackett or Getsy a shot at redemption as OC/play caller. Offer Stenavich the OL job or early vacation-yes he won’t like it, but he needs to be replaced.

Just change the ambition and mindset as well as the calling tendencies teams are clearly aware of now.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:56 am

The Special teams / assistant HC took the Raiders to the playoffs a couple seasons ago. Maybe if nothing else, it would help special teams by giving him other things to worry about.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:13 am

"We need to go back to the drawing board and change the mindset, culture and offensive philosophy and design."

Doesn't that take an offseason program and training camp to give it a chance?

The worst thing that's going to start happening is the attitudes of the star free agents at the least. Jacobs is beating himself up for what? XM and others playing their buts off for what? They got their payday. They want championships and will try to go to other teams if they have to, to get them.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:53 am

Ideally yes, and certainly if attempting a comprehensive overhaul, but while you can’t change the scheme or roster dramatically, you can change the atmosphere and expectations quickly and you can change how existing plays and players are used and when within the current scheme.

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Coldworld's picture

November 11, 2025 at 01:07 pm

Bissacia has been making some odd choices recently, but he could be an option. A season or two ago I probably would have cited him as the obvious one.

My thought now though was primarily driven by the opportunity to give us a chance to see what Hafley can do over the rest of the season. Should he be the choice long term? The chances of him staying aren’t great, but is he the answer we can’t afford to hold on to?

Half a season would give valuable insights while accepting that his scope of impact will be somewhat constrained by the scheme and staff in place. Take the chance to get better on field, but also to become better informed as to our options after the season and increase the chance that we can hold onto Hafley should we decide to.

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T7Steve's picture

November 11, 2025 at 02:11 pm

How about the fired Giants' coach. That would be fun for one revenge game. LOL! Might have helped for the Eagles' game too.

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NFLfan's picture

November 11, 2025 at 11:01 am

Please look at Gutekunst as well. He is the architect of the OL-and there are numerous whiffs in early rounds.

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stockholder's picture

November 11, 2025 at 01:13 pm

I will bet anybody.
Elliot Wolf will win a super-Bowl before Gute.

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jannes bjornson's picture

November 11, 2025 at 01:45 pm

Still trailing Schneider.

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