Packer Snap Counts vs. The Eagles: Week 19

A pretty good team loses to a well-disciplined one in the Wild Card game.  

 

 

The Packers did not elevate anyone from the practice squad.  The team earlier signed QB Sean Clifford to the 53-man roster.  WR Christian Watson, S Zayne Anderson, OT Andre Dillard were inactive due to injury.  TE Ben Sims and QB Sean Clifford were healthy inactives.  Since Clifford was signed to the 53-man roster, he would have been allowed to play as the "emergency quarterback" had both Love and Willis been injured.  Sims being inactive is a surprise.  Monk and Willis did not play.

Elgton Jenkins (stinger) and Devonte Wyatt (lower leg) left the game early and did not return.  Doubs left the game after banging his head on the ground while Jayden Reed suffered a shoulder injury late in the game.  Josh Myers was carted off the field late in the game with a leg injury, but word is that he might have a hairline fracture.  Myers will be an unrestricted free agent in 2025.

 

OFFENSIVE LINE:

Player Snaps % ST
Rhyan 66 100 3/12%
Walker 66 100 3/12%
Tom 66 100 3/12%
Myers 61 92 3/12%
Telfort 39 59 3/12%
Glover 28 42 3/12%
Jenkins 4 6  
Monk DNP   DNP

 

The offensive line's run blocking was not good.  The running backs gained 87 yards on 21 carries, a 4.14-yard average.  Jacobs got loose for a 31-yard gain.  Without that run, the running backs gained 2.80 yards per carry, which better reflects what actually happened.  Kraft ran two sneaks for 10 yards, and both converted third downs.  Love added 10 yards on 2 carries.  There were very times that a double teams allowed one of the offensuive linemen to get to the second level, and thus very few longer runs.  The running backs earned most of the yards they gained. The Packers did not attack the edges often, and the Eagles did not play with 6 men in the box often.  The Packers instead slugged it out, but they could not get much movement against the defensive line and the run support arrived quickly.   

The line had an average day in pass protection.  The Bears had 5 quarterback hits and 2 sacks.  RDE Jalen Carter, LDE Milton Williams and NT Jordan Davis, gave the linemen fits, especially Davis.  Carter had 2 quarterback hits while Davis had 1 QB hit.  Williams and Davis drew what seemed like innumerable holding calls against the guards who attempted to replace Elgton Jenkins.  OLB Nolan Smith terrorized Zach Tom with 2 sacks and 2 tackles for loss.  As Larry McCarren said, Rasheed Walker probably had the best day, as he neutralized Josh Sweat, who had just 1 tackle. 

2025 Outlook:  All of the linemen return for 2025 except Josh Myers.  I gather the draft is not full of prospects at the center position.  Nevertheless, center could use an upgrade.  RT Zach Tom might get an extension sooner rather than later, with many estimating it at about $21M per year.  Tom finished in third place for RT in AP All-Pro awards behind Penei Sewell and Lane Johnson.  I wish Rasheed Walker would improve his run blocking.  I am happy to pay him good money for his pass blocking, but his run blocking is simply less than average.  The problem is that left tackles, like quarterbacks, get paid a lot even if they are not that good.  Spotrac estimates that LT Cam Robinson is worth $14M and I think Walker is better than Robinson.  I am not crazy about paying Walker $15M or so per year on a team that is so dependent on the running game, but tackles do not grow on trees and Walker is pretty good.  Rasheed Walker is under contract for 2025: we will see what Gutekunst decides to do.  The team needs a starting center and and depth on the interior, along with a swing tackle.     

 

 

QUARTERBACKS:

Player Snaps % ST
Love 66 100  
Willis DNP    

 

Love completed 20 of 33 passes (60.61%) for 212 yards (6.42 yards/attempt).  He finished with a 41.5 passer rating.  He threw 3 interceptions and no touchdowns.  Love did scramble twice for nice gains.  He looked like a quarterback who does not have a match-up he likes or any reliable plays he is comfortable with.  Love was good throwing quick outs, but the Eagles played a lot of people near the line of scrimmage, so the bubble screens and the like did not work.  They tried a few deep throws but the only completion was a ball that was well under thrown to Wicks who came back for it.  I cannot remember the last time Love escaped and made a strong, accurate pass on the run.  Part of that might be very poor scramble drill skills from the receivers. The 15 scripted plays and the game plan in general did not seem to identify and exploit any chinks the Eagles' defensive armor.  Coach LaFleur said after the game that the Eagles played a lot of soft zone, but it did not look that soft to me.  

2025 Outlook:  Love will return as the starter, and one would imagine that Willis also returns.  I do not think Willis played enough and thus did display enough to seriously tempt another team sufficiently to make General Manager Gutekunst an offer he can't refuse.  Then again, pick 91 tempted Gutekunst to part with Rasul Douglas and a fifth round pick.  Clifford can return to the practice squad.  Or not.

 

RUNNING BACKS:

Players Snaps % STs
Jacobs 41 62  
Brooks 16 24 8/23%
Wilson 11 17  

Jacobs gained 81 yards on just 18 carries for a 4.50-yard average and a touchdown on a really fine run.  Aside from a 31-yard romp, a lot of Jacobs' yards came from always falling forward.  Jacobs used a lot of jump cuts and second effort.  Jacobs caught all 3 of his targets for 40 yards.  He is a large part of the offense.  Wilson gained 6 yards on 3 carries while Brooks had no carries but caught 2 of 3 passes for 9 yards.  The pattern is clear: Wilson comes in to run the ball and Brooks comes in to catch it or pass block.  Jacobs is used for short yardage with Kraft getting the chance to run some direct snap sneaks. 

2025 Oulook: Jacobs, Brooks and Wilson all should return in 2025, and they will get a better look at Marshawn Lloyd.

 

TIGHT ENDS:

Player Snaps % ST
Kraft 64 97 3/12%
Musgrave 15 23 2/8%
Fitzpatrick 1 2 10/42%

 

Kraft caught all 5 of his targets for 26 yards with a long of 12.  He caught some of those short passes with a defender practically standing next to him.  I did not notice any routes downfield.  Musgrave had no statistics.  Fitzpatrick had no targets, the same as the last three weeks.  I wrote last week that it seemed like Kraft was often targeted while he was close to the line of scrimmage and in traffic.  That happened again.  I would like to find out how many routes Musgrave ran.  Did the Packers attack the seam or downfield with him?

2025: Kraft and Musgrave will return.  The Packers used to run plays to get Musgrave in favorable match ups.  I have not seen that much this year.  Did he come back 100%?  2025 will be a important year for Musgrave.  Fitzpatrick and Sims should be looking over their shoulders.

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Player Snaps % ST
Wicks 51 77  
Doubs 37 56  
Reed 36 55 5/21%
Melton 32 48 11/46%
Heath 26 39 9/38%

 

Reed caught all 4 of his targets for 46 yards.  I thought the Packers made a conscious effort to get Reed involved.  That was probably the correct thing to do, but it is better if it just happens organically.  Wicks caught 2 of his 6 targets for 39 yards with a long of 29.  Melton caught 1 of his 3 targets for 16 yards and Heath did not catch any of his 4 targets.  Heath caught a 43-yard bomb but it was negated by an offensive holding call on Rhyan.

I overestimated the wide receiver room.  LaFleur mentioned that the Eagles played a soft zone.  Maybe so, but you couldn't prove it by me.  There were a lot of contested catches.  The Packers have a deep group but there are no #1 wide receivers or even #2 wide receivers.

2025 Outlook:  They are all returning.  Watson will likely start the season on PUP; maybe he gets activated mid-season or maybe he stays on PUP for most of 2025 and his contract tolls.  The Packers need a starting "X" receiver who is a deep threat.  Doubs concussions scare me and his curious decision to miss a couple of practices make me wonder about him.     

 

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLES:

 

Player Snaps % ST
Clark 40 67 1/4%
Slaton 30 50 8/33%
Wooden 26 43 6/25%
Brooks 19 32 9/38%
Wyatt 5 8 2/8%

 

Slaton had 3 tackles (2 solo) and a tackle for loss.  Wooden had 2 assisted tackles, 2 quarterback hits and a half sack.  Clark had 5 tackles (2 solo). Brooks had 1 assisted tackle and a couple of hurries.  Wyatt had no stats in his 5 snaps. The Eagles gained 169 yards on 34 carries for a 4.97-yard average with a long of 17.  They did a decent job on Barkley who had 98 yards on 23 carries for a 4.26-yard average until the Eagles' last possession.  The Eagles made sure that Barkley got over 100 yards by giving him 2 carries when I expected a couple of kneel downs.  Barkley gained 21 yards on those two carries, including the 17 yarder on which he just gave himself up. 

The Eagles only gained 290 yards on offense.  They had to punt 5 times.  The Eagles only converted 2 of 11 third down opportunities.  The Packers had 302 net yards on offense and converted 8 of 15 third and fourth down chances while winning the time of possession battle. The Packers had 4 turnovers, giving the Eagles a couple of short fields.  

2025 Outlook:  Everyone returns except Slaton, who is an unrestricted free agent.  I have no idea what the Packers were thinking when they gave Clark that extension.  Clark belongs in the NFL, but he is more of a $12M AAV player than a $21M AAV player.  The Packers probably will hang on to Clark.  This room needs competition.    

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % ST
Gary 32 53 1.4%
Van Ness 31 52 14/58%
Enagbare 29 48 8/33%
Cox 27 45 1/4%
Mosby     17/71%

 

Enagbare had 4 tackles (2 solo).  Van Ness had 4 tackles (1 solo).  Gary had 3 tackles with a sack, a tackle for loss and a quarterback hit.  Cox had no statistics.  Mosby had an assisted tackle on special teams.  The Packers only had 5 quarterback hits and 2 sacks.  Two of the QB hits came on one sack as Wooden and McDuffie each got a half sack.  Lane Johnson is a first team All-Pro at right tackle and LT Jordan Mailata was named to the 2nd team All-Pro by the Associated Press.  They just shut down the Edge rushers.  Hurts had time to pass, and some times he had all day.    

2025 Outlook:  Everybody returns for 2025.  This room needs an upgrade.

 

   

LINEBACKERS:

Player Snaps % ST
Cooper 60 100 8/33%
Walker 57 95 2/8%
McDuffie 30 50 21/88%
Wilson 3 5 19/79%
Hopper     12/50%

 

Walker had 8  tackles (4 solo).  McDuffice had 6 tackles (2 dolo) with a QB hit and a half sack.  Edgerrin Cooper 6 tackles (2 solo), 1 quarterback hit and a couple of other pressures.  Eric Wilson had no defensive statistics during his 3 snaps but he had an assisted tackle on special teams.  Hopper had no statistics.  I thought the linebackers did a nice job.  The opponents TEs and RBs did not do much harm.

 

2025 Outlook:  Walker is under contract for 2025 and Cooper was only a rookie.  McDuffie and Eric Wilson are both unrestricted free agents.  While I assume it won't be difficult to re-sign one or both players to inexpensive contracts with little guaranteed money (less than $300K guaranteed), a day three pick might be worth it.  

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

Player Snaps % ST
Valentine 60 100 5/21%
Williams 60 100 1/4%
McKinney 60 100 10/42%
Nixon 59 98 13/54%
Bullard 31 52 3/12%
Stokes 1 2  
Olapado     10/42%
Ballentine     8/33%
Rochell     3/12%

 

Nixon had 2 tackles (1 solo).  He had a penalty for unnecessary roughness.  He had a fumble on the opening kickoff.  I think that was a helmet to helmet hit, not withstanding Tom Brady prattling on about how it was absolutely clean hit right on the ball.  I also think Nixon recovered his fumble, but that was a closer call.  Nixon has been much better than I expected as a perimeter cornerback and probably is the leader to play opposite Jaire Alexander next year.  He brings a physicality and toughness to a team that needs it.  I wish he wouldn't return every possible kickoff and that he would be more disciplined.  Still, he is a steal at $6M per year.  Valentine had 5 tackles (3 solo) and a couple of missed tackles.  His coverage is pretty good.  He is a good depth piece.  Stokes, Ballentine, and Rochell had no statistics. 

The safety room has been utterly transformed.  McKi8nney had 5 tackles (2 solo).  Evan Williams had 4 tackles (2 solo) and the only pass defensed by the Packers.  Bullard had 3 tackles (2 solo).  He still gets picked on in coverage but the athleticism is there. 

2025 Outlook:  Everyone returns except Stokes and Ballentine.  Alexander's contract suggests that he will be back in 2025, though the Packers could release him while saving cap space.  The better question is whether he can be relied upon. 

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

McManus made 1 of his 2 field goals and his extra point attempt.  It was an important miss.  Whelan punted only 2 times a 50-yard gross average. 

 

RB: 1.03

TE: 1.21

WR: 2.76

DT:  2.00

DE:  1.98

LB:  2.50

DB:  4.52

 

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ddepula418's picture

January 13, 2025 at 07:40 am

MLF comes up small in big games. Team wasn't ready to compete. Not complimentary football. When the Packers finally scored the defense, which had been playing well, lets up a touchdown to make it 16-3. When the Packers get into the end zone, the defense allows a 7 and a half minute drive for a field goal which, for all intents and purposes, ices the game. Oh, and Nixon did recover that fumble. Horrible call.

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SinceLombardi's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:00 am

Maybe Nixon did recover the fumble. Kudos.. he’s an overpaid walking dead ball foul machine.
Bad for the culture too. Celebrates and taunts after routine plays. Then under pressure he chokes. Remember his double blunder punt return against the NYG?
How much longer do we have to deal with this guy?

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:12 am

The flower was at fault for the play calls,players need to execute, then the players injured falling like dead flies,surely didn't help either!This team has problems, mlf is a big one,but also lack of better players as well

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 07:40 am

Green Bay is a pretty good team. It has pretty good players. So: the Packers should try to find a difference maker in the draft. They are drafting either 25t or 26th (IIRC and depending on the Rams game tonight), so getting an impact player in the draft is no sure thing. Packers have multiple needs - the difference maker can be an Edge/DE, a CB, a DT, a WR, or an OL. Take the best prospect remembering the Love has a window of 2025 through 2027.

I went through this in gut reactions. GB has $52M (they just submitted a request to roll over $15M into 2025) in salary cap space assuming the cap limit comes in at $272M. Nobody knows what it will be. GB has 39 players, so since they will have 51 under the rule of 51, multiply $840M by 12 to get $10.08M. $52M - $10M leaves $42M. They will need to sign their draft picks, pay for the PS, and have a $5M piggy bank, so that's about $12M. I figure the Packers will have about $30M to spend on FAs. They could cut some people to generate more cap space or cut some people while taking a loss to get rid of a bad contract.

$30M is substantial. Since GB usually allocates 60% to 70% of the AAV as a first year cap hit, they could probably sign free agents whose per year average salary added up to $50M. I.E., sign a guy to a $20M per year deal, and his 2025 cap number would be $12M. Sign 2 guys at $20M each and one at $10M and that uses up the $30M in cap space.

So, GB could more moderately sign all the guys it wants back and extend Zach Tom and then get two pretty big time free agents.

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wausau wonder's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:02 am

Good analysis, TGR!

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BuckyBadger's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:06 am

I think they try to find a difference maker with every draft, not something you just say.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:43 am

Fair. I am not a draftnik but I suspect that some teams not excluding the Packers sometimes draft for need. I am saying GB should buy their needs and stick to their board on the draft.

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murf7777's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:18 am

Good stuff TGR. Well the Packers would’ve had more salary cap if they heard and took my advice on Love. That was not to sign him to a contract during the off season and wait to see how he plays. I was lambasted on this site for not knowing what I was talking about. Many said, it would increase what we would have to pay him, and it would hurt morale. My come back, was there are many examples of QB’s who had one good year or a string of really good games and didn’t continue such greatness. Even if you pay him more if in 2024 he continued greatness, so what if you pay a little more for having more knowledge that paying such money will bring equal or better value. So, paying him top QB money last pre season was wrong and managing scared. There was a few on here that agreed with me, but the great majority said sign him now. Which are the similar ones who said early this year we had the best WR group. Reality, we had a very good potential of a great WR room. Potential and doing it consistently are two very different things.

It’s obvious signing Love to a contract now would be much less $’s with more favorable terms now vs the preseason. I still like Love as our ongoing QB, but he isn’t worth Top 3 QB money at this point.

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edp1959's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:31 am

If you still see Love as QB1 for the Packers then you have learned nothing.

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murf7777's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:52 am

That I disagree with, Love is still a good starter, just not a top 10 in 2024 with how he played. He is on the fringe of that level and has all the tools to become a star in the league. Also, few QB’s come back from 5 holding penalties and make drives good, it’s also a whole team effort, not just the QB. Time will tell.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:53 am

To murf, absolutely well said! Problem was Murphy and the Good Art,pissed from fear! They should have fined him for holding out camp! They should have waited until the expiry of loves contract to make an evaluation! He is not worthy and never capable to that stupid massive extension! My gut feeling is the contract given to love is like the one the raiders gave to their qb demarcus,forgot his surname! Remember him? A massive bust for the raiders! Love is a mediocre qb who took Murphy and the good art on a big long ride! He's a fucking bust of the 1st order, just like demarcus of the raiders. The fo can't let themselves be blackedmailed by love! Unfortunately it's done .why love all in shotgun yesterday ? It eliminates play action, its more difficult for the rbs to get a push off running, only 2 pitch outs that worked! No bootleg! Does anybody have a theory on all the shotgun formations in the match? I would like some ideas on the matter. Plus all of the injured players falling like dead flies? Shit if we had won,next week at Detroit all of those in crutches? Lord help this for!

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Coldworld's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:22 am

I wonder if we can find a trade partner who plays more 3:4 looks for a DL or two. Not so much for picks as to reshape the room to match the new D. I doubt we off load much cap if we do, since I imagine we keep Gary. We need to make room in that room though, in order to reconfigure it.

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Racingdad's picture

January 13, 2025 at 12:39 pm

Gb will draft either 24 if vikes win or 23 if rams win so root for rams to win as they have many of the same needs as gb and both would draft after gb if rams can of course win

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 15, 2025 at 04:32 am

Yep, that's right. I goofed somewhere. Now that the Rams won, GB drafts 23rd.

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T7Steve's picture

January 13, 2025 at 07:48 am

They haven't needed the O-line depth till they did. Tom Brady kept ranting about how good the line was, but I think it only compares well to the bottom of the league. Can't win football games if you can't move people.

I was hoping that the last 2 weeks MLF was just showing vanilla offensive plans. He didn't pull anything out for this game.

TGR, is there a way to get a count of how many snaps Love wasn't under center? I can only remember a couple that he was under. What's that about? We used to complain that Rodgers was always back and now they have Love doing it too? It didn't seem to get him much more time to notice anyone open. Only 5 passes to Kraft? Beats the 2-3 the TEs were getting but they weren't trying to force the Eagle to adjust anything defensively.

Thanks for this season's "Snap Counts" TGR and will be looking forward to your cap stuff. One thing you mentioned is that it was up to Gute to resign players, and I thought that it was up to Ball. It's so confusing. You'd think they'd all have a say.

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wausau wonder's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:03 am

Kraft should average 8 targets per game. He gets open!

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Coldworld's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:25 am

Watched the Goedert touchdown and immediately thought that who can do that even better? Kraft.

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Straya's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:51 am

"Tom Brady kept ranting about how good the line was, but I think it only compares well to the bottom of the league."

In pass defence maybe, but there's a reason that the backup running backs have often performed almost as well as Jacobs when he comes off.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:38 am

I think PFF keeps track of those things. I think Gen Stats does, too. I think you have to subscribe to get that type of info. Someone on CHTV subscribes and can answer your question. I don't subscribe to anything.

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T7Steve's picture

January 13, 2025 at 12:45 pm

Thanks. I hope someone here has it because this is the only place I visit that can answer direct questions.

Truthfully, I don't believe I saw him go under center more than three times.

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Racingdad's picture

January 13, 2025 at 12:44 pm

Would have been great time for Jordan Morgan if he would have been healthy

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:27 pm

Yeah Jordan Morgan 1st round pick to replace Backthiari, my arse and balls! Yeah the ""THE GOOD ART " AT his BEST! REALLY tHE replacement of BACKTHIARI!

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Coldworld's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:09 am

We again saw MLF shown up for what it’s is and the team and offense shown as what it had been demonstrating it was all year when faced with a decent opponent. That is despite perhaps the best defensive performance of the year.

It is time, past time, to move on. Until we do, expect more of the same. Hafley has earned more time. LaFleur and his offensive team have used up there’s well beyond plausible defensibility.

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T7Steve's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:39 am

Do you understand why Love wasn't under center more? Is he more banged up that was let on?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:47 am

I don't thinks fans or the media really know. Love got asked about whether his knee was still bothering him but he was not clear about it. {Perhaps he did not want to issue an excuse but did not want to lie. IDK.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:36 pm

I don't know mate, for me ,HE IS NOT THE ANSWER! A MEDICORE QB!WHO BLACKMAILED AND GOT $$$$$$.SO SAD BUT VERY TRUE! HE ISN'T THE FIRST ONE TO FUCK OVER FRONT OF OF NFL CLUBS!EITHER!!!!!!!?

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:40 pm

Unfortunately my beloved fans, mister love did FUCK ALL,AND CONTINUE TO DO " FUCk ALL NEXT SEASON!!

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BruceC1960's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:34 am

Sad that an injury to one offensive lineman causes so much chaos.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:08 am

Yeah,sure did jennkins reserve commited 5 holding penalties that fucked our drives . When players get beaten, they hold!

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NFLfan's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:37 am

GB will need to retain a number of average players, unfortunately, but they can exponentially improve by hiring better assistant coaches to instill discipline, clean up penalties, and expect accountability.

-Bisaccia is not a good ST coach. This has been obvious for 2 years
-DL Coach--Jason Rebrovich
-OL Coach-Luke Butkus
- OC (?) Stenavich

***LF just won't do the hard stuff like firing bad coaches and prioritize a search for excellence -Dan Campbell has a team of high-functioning coaches-so do all the top teams***

Jordan Love. Rodgers was handicapped by his small size in high school and is not a natural athlete but he made certain he fully understood the game, polished his foot work, worked on throwing accuracy and technique. He is a self-made QB who put in hours of work to improve his ability throughout his prime. He even said 'his arm was along for the ride'. He could throw off platform because he understood the foundation.

I would like to see Love transform like Rodgers did. He needs to take his footwork, form, leg strength more seriously. I think accuracy and mental toughness will follow. I can't imagine Tom Clements likes Jordan's poor footwork/back-foot throwing. He doesn't have the right to be doing what Rodgers took years to do.

Love is taller and has more natural athletic attributes but he isn't showing the drive to improve that Rodgers did.

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murf7777's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:00 am

Good thoughts about Love and I agree. He needs to deal with his footwork. One reason I didn’t like signing him to the highest contract last off season was because of his poor footwork and throwing off his back foot. It shows what great talent and arm strength he has, but it also provide false confidence. The reality is he was throwing a lot of interception worthy throws last year and fortunate for him they didn’t get caught by the opposition.

I disagree about he doesn’t have the drive Rodgers had thou. He seems to want this as bad and works as hard at his craft as Rodgers.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:56 am

Well said nfl fan,stenavic is a good ol coach ,not oc,like Edgar Bennett rb coach ,oc under fat Mike. Yeah the flower ain't leaving town,unfortunately! The flower has to put a true oc to call plays and coach from the sideline observing the offense and defence, everything! Will he,doubt it! He should, I don't think flower will bring us to the promised land! When lombardi lost nflcg in 1960 to Philladelphia, he stated, This is happening again! Damn right he was,took the pack to 5 championship victories! La flower ain't no lombardi!

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Packers0808's picture

January 13, 2025 at 04:31 pm

Trump backer with childish name calling>

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:02 pm

Wny the down votes? Lombardi was an authoritarian, dictator,! A bad ass mother fucker! His players loved him,adored him,went to a brick wall for him! He was very intelligent as hc and gm,he made the most of his players to greatness! How many coaches of today have similar characteristics of him? Knoll in 70s,Tomlin? Campbell at Detroit? Lombardi was the best,bellicick? Please respect for the great Lombardi, if it wasn't for him,?

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Packers0808's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:39 am

Where was or what happened to Musgrave. We needed 2 set TE yesterday with all the injuries or did Musgrave get injured and I missed it?

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:57 am

Kraft was on the field for every snap save two: 64 of 66 snaps. Musgrave played 15 snaps and fitzgerald played 1 snap. They could have had 3 TEs on one play, and 2 plays with no TEs. Most likely, they had 2 TE sets 14 plays, give or take 1 or 2.

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jannes bjornson's picture

January 13, 2025 at 07:15 pm

With the WR group going to triage, one would expect to see some heavy stacks with 2-4 TEs on the field controlling the edge and the hook zones. WTF? These boy wonder coaches lack a basic knowledge of fundamental football.

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TOMMY'63's picture

January 13, 2025 at 08:14 pm

Musgrave has a fucked up ankle injury, that's why he hasn't played. Hopefully next season

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zoellner25's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:08 am

Musgrave is a bust

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 13, 2025 at 11:00 am

I was wondering if he lost a step or isn't fully healed. I would like to see the kind of routes he ran. Did they send him up the seam?

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NFLfan's picture

January 13, 2025 at 09:19 am

I think the mediocrity in GM/coaching can be traced to Mark Murphy seizing too much control. He hired/promoted guys he could control and stripped their authority/autonomy. A strong GM/HC would have challenged him. Ed Policy does not have my vote in terms of rocking the boat.
If GB doesn't make FO/HC changes, they will remain 'good enough.'

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13TimeChamps's picture

January 13, 2025 at 04:53 pm

"Ed Policy does not have my vote in terms of rocking the boat."

I'm sure Ed Policy would be crushed to hear that.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 15, 2025 at 04:37 am

Policy never played, coached or scouted. Bingo! I expect him to leave all football decisions to football guys. I hope the GM becomes the point man for all football decisions, but we shall see.

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J-Rome's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:10 am

I think the Packers do need a # 1 wide receiver. If you morphed all their wide outs into one player, you'd have a perfect player. It would be Watson's speed, Doubs hands, Reed's YAC, and Wick's route running. They are all role players though, and when you lose one there's a domino effect. They need someone who can do it all, or at least more than one thing well.

Also, LaFleur needs to put receivers in better positions to make plays. I think he needs an OC to call plays. When something bad happens like Nixon's fumble you need your head coach to lead and calm things down. With a young team like this, leadership is too big a job to also be calling plays. I think he got away with it when this team was full of veterans. Not anymore.

Love, predictably, came out throwing high. LaFleur can't make him throw accurately. The first int looked like it should have been a good decision but Slay closed and basically played the ball better than Wicks. The second one was horrible. I've seen him be so good but he seems to have gotten worse as the season got late.

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stockholder's picture

January 13, 2025 at 10:19 am

Ok - Trade MLF -
And repeat history.
The Pack will be back.
When Gute is fired!

This GM drafted busts at CB.
He also dumped Douglass.
And now were going down the rabbit hole again.

You wanted Love- No QB
would meet any expectations when
he loses his OL. And neither would MLF.
MLF said he'd fix the defense.
The defense kept them in the game.

So with all 3 wrs out. Love turned into
the mad bomber. No surprise there.

It's time for WRs that take the Top off a defense.
It's Time for a Veteran FA/cast-off on the DL.
It's time to draft the BPA after the game changer @WR.
It's Time to dump the Depth on Defense.
It's Time Gute stop looking at the ceiling of a draftee.
Nixon is getting better. And when I look at the cost to
upgrade Gute's poor selections.
Why do we keep praising this GM.

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tobinrote's picture

January 13, 2025 at 11:06 am

TGR is more optimistic than I would be, but then he also knows a whole more about the game than I do, but it seems to me management went all in for at best is a mediocre qb, who has serious accuracy problems, technique problems, decision making problems. We have a headcoach who consistently doesn't get the team ready to play. his playcalling is hard to figure out, though opposing defenses seem to have figured it out quite well. how many times yesterday did he run into the middle of the very good Eagle D line? and get stuffed again and again? The D is quite a bit better this year, with some good young safeties and one real keeper on inside linebacker, but oh do Gutey's busts or near busts stand out for not standing out: Musgrove, Gary, Walker, Stokes, Love, and Watson whose body just is not meant for football. on another note Doubs looked really badly hurt, and i kept thinking Tua.... he is looking at some serious brain problems by the time he hits 50.

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tobinrote's picture

January 13, 2025 at 11:08 am

i forgot to list van Ness in the bust category

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NFLfan's picture

January 13, 2025 at 11:38 am

@TR-I feel really badly for Doubs too-I think he feels responsible for carrying his entire family as well.

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Guam's picture

January 13, 2025 at 11:51 am

Thanks TGR for a long season of great information. "Snap Counts" is my favorite weekly article and I learn more from it than most of the other articles combined. Appreciate your hard work and in depth coverage of the Packers. Thank you and GPG!

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Bear's picture

January 13, 2025 at 01:18 pm

TGR Thanks your work is very much appreciated!

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Grandfathered's picture

January 14, 2025 at 06:52 pm

Thanks TGR for writing this series.

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