Next Man Up....

There's a fresh job opening on the Packers' defensive line.

 

 

 

 

In case you've been in a cave the last 24 hours, the Packers have traded with the Dallas Cowboys for premier pass rusher Micah Parsons. While the trade secured possibly the best defensive player in the NFL and Super Bowl expectations, the deal was bittersweet.

The Packers gave up standout Defensive Tackle Kenny Clark in the deal.

Clark was the last 1st Round Pick former General Manager Ted Thompson ever made at 27th Overall; and he was a cornerstone in the franchise until just the other day. With his departure, that leaves a hole on the defensive line. Still, you could argue that perhaps General Manager Brian Gutekunst had orchestrated that Clark would be leaving Lambeau sooner than later, with six other interior defensive linemen on the team between the active roster and the practice squad. In Gutekunst's defense, Clark did have a down year in 2024, suffering from a broken foot and now entering his age-30 season. The Packers were always known to try and let a player go early before keeping them too long, and perhaps the Packers just wanted to cover themselves in case 2025 wasn't much better. Alas, we'll never know, at least not firsthand, with Clark now shipped off to Dallas (We'll miss you, friend).

 

Devonte Wyatt will arguably be DT1 for the Packers' defense, but who'll be alongside him? Head Coach Matt LaFleur even struggled to answer that question when on the podium, but the current crop of defensive tackles includes Karl Brooks, Colby Wooden, Warren Brinson, and Nazir Stackhouse.

 

If I had to say right now, Brooks has the inside track to the job, but Wooden played his heart out in preseason. Was it because he felt the pressure from Brinson and Stackhouse, or was he genuinely trying to demand more reps on D? I doubt any of them ever saw the possibility of Clark getting traded, so it's anyone's guess.

Brooks and Wyatt, in my opinion, are roughly in the same mold as players. Still, Brooks seems to have more versatility as he occasionally flashed in former DC Joe Barry's 3-4 and continued to do so under current DC Jeff Hafley. Wyatt, on the other hand, looked like a switch to the 4-3 was the only way to justify his selection as a former 1st Round Pick. Both are in their elements when pushing the pocket, but stopping the run at a high level...the jury might still be out on that. Can Hafley thrive with these two in base D? Maybe, if Wyatt and Brooks can demand double teams consistently it will allow the 2nd level to clean up, but I'm not entirely sure if they'll blow up ther run consistently on their own. This combo could be better suited to pass-first situations.

Would Colby Wooden be an ideal DT2? Despite his good preseason, Wooden seemed to be a bit of a liability against the run last year, which might be due to his leaner frame. I love his hands and tools, but I need to see him winning consistently against the 1s before I can trust him.

That leaves us with the rookies Warren Brinson and Nazir Stackhouse, the two former Georgia Bulldogs. All we have is the preseason, but looking at tape, I give Brinson the slight edge, as he was the one drafted, and Stackhouse was an UDFA. I like the raw strength, strong hands, and at times instincts I observed from Brinson. At 6'5, 315, Brinson may, by default, find himself the de facto DT2 on earlier downs and short yardage situations. I won't say he has a nose for the run, but he did show the ability to shed blocks and clog the rushing lanes. As for Stackhouse, at 6'4, 327 he's a mountain of a man, but he'll need to develop some kind of pass rush plan with better hands. As a run stuffer, he can definitely demand the double team and clog up the lanes, but his imposing size won't be enough like it was in the SEC. Better NFL offensive linemen will require more to get through their sets.

One last wildcard, Lukas Van Ness. At Iowa, he was known to rush from the inside, but that's not necessarily his niche in the NFL. But if the initial rotation doesn't work, perhaps they plug him in to see how he does. But I don't think that's in Van Ness' best interest. He's already had to navigate two position switches, two position coaches, and a scheme change. While it won't be entirely unnatural, I don't think it's best for his long-term development.

 

So where does that leave us? That's a question anybody can take a stab at right now. But if I had to guess it'd be something like this:

Early downs: Wyatt & Brinson (Brooks alternate)

1st/2nd and long, 3rd down: Wyatt and Brooks (Van Ness/Wooden alternate)

Short yardage: Wyatt and Stackhouse (Brinson alternate)

Emergency/Injury replacement: Van Ness (If necessary)

 

Do the Packers have a DT2? Probably not at the moment, but Micah Parsons changes A LOT for this defense. It'll be interesting to see how LaFleur & Hafley navigate that conundrum. I guess I've already got my first 2026 Draft assignment.

 

Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.

 

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Joseph has been an avid fan of the Green Bay Packers since 1997, citing an affinity for dairy products during his childhood and his favorite color, green. Born in Jacksonville, FL, Joseph currently is an Active Duty servicemember in the U.S. Armed Forces. Joseph considers himself a lifelong fan of the game of football, competing since his youth well into adulthood. When it comes to the Pack, Joseph is particularly impassioned about the NFL Draft and collegiate scouting process, and will contribute regularly on CHTV.com leading to that year's upcoming Draft. You can follow him on Twitter at @joeyreyallday.

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Snap the ball's picture

August 29, 2025 at 11:33 pm

Will miss Kenny one of my all time favorites.

He did have an off year last year to his standards.

With that said if Others can play as good or slightly better and grow through the season we will be fine.

Kenny took a lot of snaps away from them now it’s time to step up.

It’s just Kenny is ready to play and Micah maybe a few days behind and in shape.

Knowing all this would be nice to have Slayton . Buts the NFL.

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Snap the ball's picture

August 29, 2025 at 11:36 pm

Depends on the Lions who they double. Still someone needs to get home.
If no one is getting home the lions will pass more than normal.

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Snap the ball's picture

August 29, 2025 at 11:41 pm

I wonder if they go with a 3-4 look also

As long as the don’t do a Preston Smith on Adam’s.

I wonder what Devante thought of that. Like Preston serious old teammate buddy. What are you doing.

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JosephR's picture

August 30, 2025 at 12:12 am

I would love a Gary-Stackhouse-Van Ness combined with a Cooper-Walker-Hopper-Parsons. But I wouldn't expect it until after the Bye.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

August 29, 2025 at 11:58 pm

I don't think that the Packers have come this far only to have the interior D-line become the weakest link. I'm assuming that Gutekunst and the Pro Personnel Dept. are forming a contingency plan - should the current DTs not be good enough.

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dobber's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:26 am

I'm looking back to the Warren Sapp Buccaneers as a mold for this defensive front going forward. There weren't any Vince Woolforks or Gilbert Browns--or much bulk in general--on that SB winning team, but they were fast on the interior, disruptive, and they played upfield. They also had a marquee DE (Simeon Rice) for the interior rushers to flush QBs to.

That said, Warren Sapp might be one of the best one-gap DL ever and the Packers don't have a Warren Sapp, but they need to think creatively how to play to the strengths of their 6-3, 300 lb DTs.

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Coldworld's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:00 am

Wyatt and Brooks are the most penetrative 3techs. I’m fine with them on pass downs. That’s also what Brinson is at this point. One hopes he can become the option in more mixed situations, but despite his 315 pounds, he was not good at all as a run stopper in the summer. This year may be too early.

It’s NT where the questions arise. Wooden is at best 300 pounds. In passing situations he’s an interesting prospect to penetrate as he has strength and burst, but in mixed or run heavy ones, it’s pretty hard to see him succeeding for extended periods within games or over 17 of them and a post season. If he did he would be a true outlier in the NFL.

Stackhouse is going to have to play a lot and not just in clear run circumstances. He’s going to have a steep learning curve and have to step up. Ester on the PS is another undersized guy. I still feel like we ought to add a boring but effective clogger there if we can.

Van Ness inside is an oft touted idea. However, I’m not sure it’s needed with Wooden unless Van Ness can show he’s as stout and more powerful. That’s where Wooden may shine if he’s not ground down. Realistically, we need reserve run options in there who can take in double teams and not get overpowered. Teams will run at this line, even more so with Parsons.

We have to be able to be stout not just give up 3/4 yards per attempt consistently if we want to really reap the benefit of our anticipated rush.

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GregC's picture

August 30, 2025 at 03:28 am

There's no mention in this article of the distinction between nose tackle and 3-technique tackle. Kenny Clark was going to play nose tackle this year, so that's the position where a replacement is needed. My understanding is that Colby Wooden is next up at the nose tackle position. Although he is still absurdly listed at 273 pounds on the team roster, before last season he bulked up to around 290, and before this season he has reportedly bulked up to around 300. That's light for a nose tackle in the modern NFL, but he may still be the best player for the position. After him, it would either be Brinson or Stackhouse. Stackhouse has the best traits to play nose tackle but may still be too raw in terms of technique.

Losing Kenny Clark may be a real problem. Opponents are going to be testing the middle of this defense a lot.

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Guam's picture

August 30, 2025 at 07:29 am

My thoughts too GregC - the Packers need to replace a nose tackle, not a 3-technique. Clark used to play every down and the author seems to think his replacement should as well. I believe we will see more situational football with a true nose tackle playing in first down and obvious rushing downs and pass rushers swapping in on obvious passing downs.

I think Wooden gets the first opportunity with Stackhouse next in line at a run defending nose tackle position. They might both get on the field on short yardage situations to plug up the middle. In obvious passing downs, I suspect neither will be on the field, supplanted by Brooks or Brinson or even LVN.

You don't replace Clark with one guy but rather replace him using a platoon system based on the situation.

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Coldworld's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:13 am

None of those 3 are NTs or have ever been good in the run game in that sense. LVN may be a freak athlete as a DE but his power and anchor aren’t for a NT. Brinson has never been that, and eventually might become it (Slaton had to learn), but really struggled when run at this summer and didn’t have to do it in college as he wasn’t in on run downs particularly often and, even then, wasn’t to primary obstacle.

It will be interesting to see, but once the dust has settled, Gute may still have work to do to address Clark’s departure and have options and depth at NT for run downs and teams, particularly as a non dome team that plays in the elements. We are more than adequately stocked with penetration types. LaFleur getting leads early would also help considerably.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 07:35 am

I agree, although Hafley moves the interior guys around a lot. With Slaton gone, Kenny was obviously the best person to take charge. That's why Joseph's title to this piece is so aptly stated. Who is that next person? Wyatt and Brooks have improved their run defense according to certain grades, but the eye test tells me, it's questionable. Our rookies were good in college, but all NFL guys are normally good at run-defense in college. That's why they are here!. Justis M. was right in his review of the rookies during the exhibition games. They played a ton, so lots of tape. Some good things, some bad. But IMO, they are still not playing fast. They were sometimes slow and not strong, getting hinged or reach-blocked.

I would argue we need not one, but 2 of the 5 remaining DLs to demonstrate they can stop the run consistently....and it will be happening in games that count! IMO, Wooden may be one.

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Guam's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:44 am

Give Stackhouse a little time to grow into the pro game and I think the Packers will be fine at NT. He will likely never be much of a pass rusher, but he anchors down well against the run and handles double teams pretty well even now. Playing faster will come with experience.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:52 am

We need Stackhouse or Brinson to turn it up, quickly. On a sidenote: I believe Linval Joseph is available, but he had stats similar to Colby last year. Again, I really don't think the Packers add anybody, unless it's to the Practice Squad or via another trade, but it will have to be a significant improvement over what they have.

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dobber's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:37 am

At this point, I'm not sure Brinson or Stackhouse are the horses either individually or combined to eat up a 60+% snap share like Clark had last year (and he was regularly over 70% most of his career), and maybe not even Slaton's 40-ish percent.

Like I said above, Hafley can think about just plugging pegs into holes or he can think about how to use these guys differently to get something more out of them. I'm hoping for the latter.

"My understanding is that Colby Wooden is next up at the nose tackle position. Although he is still absurdly listed at 273 pounds on the team roster,"

The Packers just don't update those things very often, if at all. It's all data, and my understanding is that they don't want to share anything that could be used against them. They'll frequently use public numbers and stick with them--sometimes not changing numbers from those from the Combine.

"Opponents are going to be testing the middle of this defense a lot."

Agreed. I think that's what most of us would do. That said, most teams aren't built to grind and OC's can't help themselves in their play calling and almost always go back to the air. I'm expecting the Packers to surrender yards on the ground at a higher clip, but I think they'll also force enough "and long" downs with a more upfield attack in the front 7 to keep it from being a big problem...that is, unless the offense can't hold up its end of the deal.

This is a defense that, as much as ever, looks like it's built to play from ahead.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:30 am

I couldn't agree more, Dobber. Thx!

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Qoojo's picture

August 30, 2025 at 01:59 pm

Very good point about OCs cannot help themselves. They want to pass. I can't count the number times I have watched the teams (including packers) successfully utilizing the run, then completely forget about the run. One game in mind is against vikings with AP, first half lead for vikings, packers never stopped the run, then second half, vikings went pass happy, handful at most runs for AP, packers win.

SF vs GB playoff is probably the example of team running almost the entire game. I think 8 passes total for SF.

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Tundraboy's picture

September 01, 2025 at 10:39 pm

Opponents are going to be testing the middle of this defense a lot.

Not really worried about that, that's been going on a long time.We will be just fine.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

August 30, 2025 at 06:35 am

I’m wondering if the Packers will bring in an older free agent NT type, or even trade a DE for a DT, this week.

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Packers0808's picture

August 30, 2025 at 07:29 am

Beat me to that thought.

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dobber's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:43 am

I think BG might be active at the deadline looking for this guy.

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Coldworld's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:28 am

I’d not want to wait that long. It’s not clear who is unsigned at this point as the dust hasn’t settled after cut downs, but a pure run stuffer, ideally on the PS, at least initially, would be wise in case Wooden and Stackhouse get hurt or exposed.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 10:27 am

Put 400 lb, 720 squat, 520 bench, Desmond Watson on the Practice Squad if he was not already picked-up. Buy a Nurse Ratchet dietician & conditioning trainer to live with him, and bring him up on game day. He actually is rather quick for a guy this big. Play him the first 10 running downs, to pound on the center, then let the other guys play. Just don't try to chest bump him!.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 07:58 am

Meant to be response to PackEyedOptimist.:
A lot of us are thinking this. The roster will be tweaked, although for an additional DL???...questionable. With the next game approaching soon, the Packers may see what they got, and adjust with a roster move later. Still, they now have 6 DEs they are carrying on the active roster, and another on PUP, another 2 on the PSquad. We could see some additions and deletions to the team well into October.

Some interesting DL/NTs are out there. But, who is available that is buried on someone's roster?

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TKWorldWide's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:01 am

Another way to improve run defense is to play with a lead, which I expect GB to be doing much of the time.

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dobber's picture

August 30, 2025 at 08:45 am

You beat me to this one!
I usually don't read ahead...Dumbledore dies.

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RobinsonDavis's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:32 am

Dumbledore dies.....hahaha!

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Snap the ball's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:24 am

Kenny is smart. Took care of his body so he can keep playing like Aaron Jones. He has a good two years left in him.

Kenny will take Aaron Banks to school if they don’t double him vs Dallas.

Covington is a good coach I’m sure he has a plan in place for the others.

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WD's picture

August 30, 2025 at 09:43 am

I think using Van Ness on the inside is a fantastic idea. He is the same size as Wooden yet faster and more athletic.He has also played the position in college. He would be ideal on third and long or in the nickel. Imagine him combined with both Gary and Parsons! What a nightmare for QBs! Let's face it, Van Ness can play anywhere along the D-line.
We also have more quality depth at OLB that the interior D-line. Some felt it was foolish to try Bo Melton at CB yet he has made the switch easily. On passing downs we want the best four pass rushers on the field all at once.The coaches have all been saying Van Ness has progressed nicely. Let's use him! I don't hear anyone saying Parsons is too small!

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CoachJV's picture

August 30, 2025 at 04:21 pm

Stackhouse will break out... watch. Even his name speaks volumes to what will do once he finds his feet. He will Stack the House against the run... taking up multiple lanes. When it comes to the rush, now with Parsons on the team and Cooper about to cut loose, as well as Gary maybe getting one-on-ones, who's gonna block Stackhouse?

Wait and see!

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