Gut Reactions: Packers season comes crashing down in Philadelphia
Aaron chats with Packers fans worldwide after the Packers 22-10 Wild Card playoff loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Dragon5
January 12, 2025 at 07:03 pm
Said in a post a week or two ago, more things change, more they stay the same, so blame game is pretty much nothing new and unnecessary at this point. Jacobs, McKinney, Edge, Williams were great ads. Lots of regression elsewhere. Early season TO defense wasn't the same once Jaire went down, exposing secondary depth and yes that's on Gute passing on CBs rd 1 & 2. A healthy D heading into this game would have had me leaning coin toss, but discipline bites us in the ass yet again.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:14 pm
Nags picked on Dejean and Mitchell for not tackling.
That was to support Gute. Your right!
If Gute drafts a db. He should trade Alexander.
Gute must help Love and bring in another ILB.
Cooper and Walker must play.
But the depth must change,
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:22 pm
how can you help an inaccurate qb by bringing in better wr's??
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:30 pm
Love didn't have time.
His prayers must stop.
Separation is the Key.
Watson is the only WR that had it.
The fact that all 3 starters went out.
Shows that you can't go with what we have.
It's not a good year for drafting WRs.
canadapacker
January 12, 2025 at 08:57 pm
If you cant draft you sign free agents - ie Cinci cant keep both
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:46 pm
How does an ILB help Moneybags????… please explain
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:12 pm
Hey, man, this is a 180 from your "100% agree" posts. Even with the ellipsis and question mark abuse, that schidt don't fly this time of year.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:08 pm
Trade Mr Coin Flip ? ( Alexander )
Let’s see, a no tackling , dead ball foul machine , coming off knee surgery . I doubt anyone would give you anything worth while. Late 4th rounder at best.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:19 pm
It wasn't on the defense today. When the offense only plays a half or less....thats where the problem lies....and it lies on MLF...no one else.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:48 pm
Agree 100%…. It is on LaFlower… always with the negative looks on the sideline… gotta have a negative effect on his players… and never changes!…
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:45 pm
You hit the proverbial nail on the proverbial head!!!
cdoemel
January 12, 2025 at 08:29 pm
Bullshit. Lafleur doesn’t play the game. He calls up plays to be run. Good plays mostly
Celise...
January 12, 2025 at 08:10 pm
this was actually one of the better games the defense has played all year...the offense is what's been offensive the last month and a half. jordan loves inaccurate passing seems to coincide with not throwing interceptions. better passes earlier in these games would have made a world of difference. thinking on his feet does not appear to be a strong suit for him. the special teams today set the pace with the fumble and then on the next kick return the holding call to force them to start at there own 12. then lets add 4 turn overs. yikes! it's incredible that they only lost by 12
cdoemel
January 12, 2025 at 08:30 pm
Agreed. You’re spewing facts tho. No one here wants to hear that. They just want to blame and hate everyone.
TKWorldWide
January 12, 2025 at 07:05 pm
It will be an interesting off-season.
Only 9 teams with more cap space than GB? Is that accurate? (Calling Gr8 Reynaldo…)
NitschkeFan
January 12, 2025 at 07:29 pm
At the web site Over The Cap it shows that the team has only 39 players signed for next year. So the cap space is a bit deceiving. Once you sign a full squad of 51 (against the cap) they will have a lot less space.
They will need some for the draft class and then some for re-signing some of their own free agents (I'm sure we will discuss that on this site a lot in the coming weeks), and then they can look at other team's free agents.
Since'75
January 12, 2025 at 11:05 pm
Good point Nitschke.
Plus, draft picks are going to want to be paid their 2nd contract soon.
These contracts with 3 or 4 receivers are going to be interesting.
Plus, Wyatt, Walker, Walker Tom, Ryhan, Willis, and idk about anyone else, but i'm gonna tie up Kraft sooner than later.
Those boys are starting, sans Willis, and they are going to want starters money.
Thegreatreynoldo
January 12, 2025 at 08:04 pm
Packers rank 12th in useable cap space. MN, Detroit, and Chicago all have more money to spend, with MN having $19M more and Chicago 16M more and Detroit +$8M. Have to draft well and spend wisely in free agency. GB has the 8th most dead money already for 2025. I don't foresee GB cutting people with large dead money hits, so GB probably will end up in the middle of the pack eventually. IOW, I think Jaire is going nowhere.
The Packers submitted a request to rollover $15.1M into 2025. That is mostly a formality. If the salary cap is $272M, GB should have $52M. Subtract 12 times $840K and it is down to $42M. Draft picks, PS squad, piggy bank runs $12M or so. $30M to spend. That is a good amount.
I didn't look into which team has more of its own players hitting free agency. That could even things up. GB does not have too many guys hitting free agency. Tom might get an early extension but the big money probably won't hit until 2026. Slaton won't cost that much. Stokes? Dillon/no. Ballentine is cheap. Myers has an air cast on his leg.
TKWorldWide
January 12, 2025 at 09:19 pm
Are Rodgers and Bakhtiari a large part of the dead cap? Or are they off the books already?
PS Thanks, Gr8 and Nitschkefan!
Thegreatreynoldo
January 13, 2025 at 12:14 am
None of it. Preston getting traded after June 1 left almost $10M dead for 2025 and Devondre Campbell being released post June left $8M dead. Big Cliff (Sean Clifford) cost $162K. That's it. The Packers cap mess from the AR era ends in 2025.
I must have had a brain fog earlier, right after the loss. MN has more cap space, but they are looking at a long list of free agents. They are signing or replacing Sam Darnold, Aaron Jones, CB Gilmore (age 34), CB Byron Murphy, LT Cam Robinson (LT Darrisaw is elite and should return), and RG Dalton Risner. I am assuming MN retains Darnold. The Franchise tag is $41M, but no doubt if they can agree then a long term deal would have a cap number in the twenties, most likely.
Rasheed Walker is better than Cam Robinson, who Spotrac pegs with a market value of $14M AAV. I wish Rasheed was a little better at run blocking - Tom is probably only $21M and I hate paying $15M or $16M to Rasheed, given the disparity in production. Rasheed did improve his pass blocking this year quite a bit. Risner is also interesting. He has played left and right guard in the pros and he played center for 13 games as a freshman at Kansas State. That's a long time ago, but versatility is useful.
Detroit has a few UFAs. Starters CB Carlton Davis, OG Kevin Zeitler, Edge Davenport (whom they did not miss) and some others who don't look too alarming. Detroit is already good, is getting a slew of players back from injury, doesn't have too many UFAs and has lots of cap space. Hmmm
TKWorldWide
January 13, 2025 at 06:53 am
I liked Detroit better when they picked bad WRs in the first round every year.
bleedgreen
January 12, 2025 at 10:31 pm
They need to sign a good FA CB get rid of jaire
JordyWoodson
January 12, 2025 at 07:06 pm
Could not have gone worse. Defense hung in there. Go Pack Go! At least I can get back to my damp January.
PS. Tired of officiating. Just tired.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:20 pm
Oficiating issn't the problem. you have a lame coach and not so great QB.
packerbackerjim
January 12, 2025 at 07:42 pm
I’d say a lame (groin and knee) QB and a not so great HC
Alberta_Packer
January 12, 2025 at 08:40 pm
May I add the QB's lack of peripheral vision.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:52 pm
True but to compete against the refs puts pack behind the eight ball every game… coaching appears to lack anything positive… just look how Moneybags has digressed as the season wore on!…bad coaching imho
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:39 am
Definitely, some bad calls going against us.
Complaining about the refs is a losing mentality. If you execute the game plan and play well, the refs are not going to beat you.
JordyWoodson
January 13, 2025 at 09:27 am
100% agree. Poor execution was the culprit for the loss. They need to work on the details to move from good to great. I'm tired of the inconsistency in officiating - it doesn't feel like "mistakes" anymore, more of a planned bias. It makes watching games less enjoyable.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:50 pm
Agree…. Seems as if they make last minute calls on Packers… way more than anyone else… referring sucks…
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:52 pm
Referreeing
Starrbrite
January 12, 2025 at 07:53 pm
Yes—the officiating has worn me out—all year! Each time we were in position to score—there’s Brad Allen impersonating a good official.
Johnkrash
January 12, 2025 at 07:07 pm
Another mistake filled sloppy performance by the offense wastes a solid performance by the defense. MLF will need to answer questions about the offense severely slipping the last month of the season.
Alberta_Packer
January 12, 2025 at 07:10 pm
MLF may have to first answer questions about his coaching.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:32 pm
"its on me".....ah yes, it is, could you please go into more depth on that?? Did having Arod your first few years make you look like a young innovative coach on the rise??
bleedgreen
January 12, 2025 at 10:35 pm
Yes it is on you. Can we please get rid of you?!
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:23 pm
Problem is....he'll be on the sidelines again next year. He admits it's on him so why doesn't he fix it? Time for a new head coach that has an OC call the plays.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:30 pm
MLF has put together a crappy staff and it shows...and he has shown zero growth as a HC..but like you say...he'll be here again next year, cute as a bug, and so will his mediocre QB..
bleedgreen
January 12, 2025 at 10:38 pm
Because he doesn't know how to fix it
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:41 am
Why can't we hire an OC who calls the plays so MLF can concentrate on being a good head coach?
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:53 pm
All lies on poor coaching!!!
Alberta_Packer
January 12, 2025 at 07:07 pm
Final Score: 22 - Love. Game - Match - Eagles.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 09:15 pm
Jayden Daniels already looks more poised ( and way better) than Jordan Love.
Alberta_Packer
January 12, 2025 at 09:51 pm
I have 3 levels of QB; lower - intermediate-upper. I have Love rated as no higher than intermediate. However he is being paid at the upper level - which is problematic. Co-incidentally, I think the same applies to MLF. So if a team aspires to be a top tier one - then the QB and Coach should be at this level as well. Presently, this is not the case for the Packers.
And I would rather have Daniels than Love.
badaxed
January 12, 2025 at 07:08 pm
The packers will never get to the Super Bowl with Lefleur. Wins games against bad teams….loses to good teams. Sign chucky…he will toughen this team.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 07:12 pm
Ordinarily I would laugh at comments like that… but you certainly can make a case that MLF is just treading water. Although I think Lombardi himself would be up against it with #10 under center.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:27 pm
Both should be gone. I'd rather see Willis under center. Love is afraid to run and back peddles and throws off his back foot if under pressure....we don't need no pussy QB. It's pathetic.
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:21 pm
Isn't Gruden's bloated carcass talking smart over at Barstool Sports? I doubt he resurfaces in the NFL. He hired social media wizards to try to help him resurrect his career, and Barstool was the only taker. 2002 was, hmm, over 20 years ago. "Chucky" ain't no mo.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:43 am
Gruden is a hothead and not a fit for our organization. I think Flores would be my pick for head coach if we move on from MLF.
NJMagic
January 12, 2025 at 07:08 pm
What???? Our defense played amazing...!!!
Our offense completely shat the bed
Even before the injuries:
No innovation
Nothing surprising
No execution
Where was musgrave?
Where was Kraft as receiver in the middle of the field?
Where was the punishing ground game?
They put up three points in 3/4....
NJMagic
January 12, 2025 at 07:09 pm
BG has to take a serious look at our wide receiver room
If anything underperformed this year...
It was love and the wide receivers
We flamed out of the playoffs when the talent gap on OFFENSE became apparent
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 07:15 pm
He needs to build a suffocating defense.. because we have a zilch at quarterback. But even Flacco and Dilfer got rings with a smothering defense.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:29 pm
Need an upgrade over Heath and Melton for sure.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:45 am
The defense was great most of the game. I like what Hafley is doing and how his players are responding to his coaching.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:55 pm
Good BINGO questions!!
dobber
January 12, 2025 at 07:13 pm
Where do you start?
Defense kept it tight in the face of four (really three, absent the desperation heave at the end) turnovers, but added enough knuckle headed mistakes (two personal fouls on plays that were over) to throw their hat in the ring, too.
Lots of change coming...will have to with contracts coming up and injuries. A lot of pressure on this draft.
BAMABADGER
January 12, 2025 at 07:23 pm
2025 is not a strong draft class at all.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:32 pm
they have money to get a couple good FA and couple that with the draft and getting rid of some dead wood they can be much better but not with the current head coach...he needs to stand in the unemployment line.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:39 pm
Where do you start-
With DL FA.
You go get a DT with size.
Wyatt is injury prone because of size.
Trade Alexander if you draft a CB @1.
Draft depth at ILB.
Because their going to get hurt.
Draft a wr that replaces Watson,Etc.
Dragon5
January 12, 2025 at 08:11 pm
Wyatt, a 1st round reach, is a 7 life path (injury prone), much like many of his fellow injured 7 life paths.
WYATT, DEVONTE 7
KRAFT, TUCKER 7
REED, JAYDEN 7
SLAYTON, CHRIS 7
DILLON, AJ 7
KING, KALEN 7
VAN NESS, LUKAS 7
WICKS, DONTAYVION 7
TKWorldWide
January 12, 2025 at 09:23 pm
What sorcery is this?
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 07:33 am
TK,
I think you might have to write that backwards to get a response. "This is sorcery, what"?
Try that.
TKWorldWide
January 13, 2025 at 01:36 pm
LOL
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:56 pm
Pressure is ON Gute!!!!
bleedgreen
January 12, 2025 at 10:46 pm
Lots of work to be done in off season
Starrbrite
January 12, 2025 at 07:13 pm
Really LaFluer—-down two scores with under six minutes remaining and you run your 2nd string back on 3rd down?
I felt we recovered our fumble on the opening kickoff. The NFL can’t even look at clear video evidence and call it right. But Brad Allen either had a parlay on the Eagles or was afraid of being stabbed by Eagles fans.
Love was seriously unimpressive.
I’m over Hafley—even with today’s defensive effort.
Jacobs played like he wanted to win—and Reed too.
Let’s draft an edge and sign a FA WR.
Go Packers!!!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:23 pm
that really blew my mind...so thats what innovative coaching looks like?? MLF has flatlined as a HC...
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:57 pm
The offensive genius is just… OFFENSIVE!!
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:34 pm
How bout a new coach? He FAILED all year!
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:57 pm
Agree 100%!
Starrbrite
January 12, 2025 at 08:17 pm
Who’s out there that you like?
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:53 am
Flores would be a good fit.
bleedgreen
January 12, 2025 at 10:43 pm
Jacobs and Reed were only offensive players who looked like they gave a crap. Seems like players will run through walls for certain coaches like Dan Campbell. Not so with MLF.
JordyWoodson
January 13, 2025 at 09:29 am
They need to eliminate that run from shotgun play. It does not work. It's a bad concept.
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 07:16 pm
No words-so many problems-so many refusals to fix said problems.
13TimeChamps
January 12, 2025 at 07:19 pm
"No words"
OMG....thank you!!!!
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 07:28 pm
@TC-homers can't see the entire picture and have a childish quality.
13TimeChamps
January 12, 2025 at 08:32 pm
When did you become a Packer fan again? Last week? Last month?
Gman1976
January 12, 2025 at 07:18 pm
I was thinking that MLF either needs to be either an OC or a HC, but now I think neither. He is not growing in either role and is holding the team back. His terrible clock management at the end of the 2nd & 4th quarters, the inability to run a hurry up offense without long passes, the poor play calling (constantly running it up the middle for little or no gain and throwing low percentage long passes when short or intermediate passes would be successful), allowing the DC to put his CBs back 10 yards on 3rd and short, the undisciplined players getting stupid penalties, etc.. MLF is a nice guy and would make a good neighbor, but we need a coach who makes good strategic in-game decisions and good coaching and personnel decisions. His offense has become Anemic and he now can't win the big games.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:28 pm
I wonder where MLF would be if he didnt have Rodgers to ride for a few years??? Canadian football league?? that style play would suit him..
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 07:59 pm
Agree 100%!
TOMMY'63
January 12, 2025 at 07:19 pm
What can we say,when everything goes wrong, started wrong. The fumble on opening ko,quick td. Jenkins ko , the reserve about 5 holding penalties setting us back. The tos,and the players dropping like flies,fucked us. They played their hearts out for sure. Does anyone know why love played almost exclusively in shotgun? It eliminated play action and more difficult for jacobs? No bootleg? The injured and love? For me love ain't the answer either, should have been picked an extra 1-2 throws, the penalties killer! They fought hard considering all the shit went wrong! 14 fucking years not making the sb!!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:26 pm
the coaching staff has had, what, five years to work with Love on his accuracy and going through progressions, he hasn't learned a thing since Utah State where he did the very same type of play..inaccurate, many many INT's..some things will never change..
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:41 pm
I'm off the Love bandwagon. How many rookie QB are one helluva lot better than this oldman?
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 08:02 pm
Leroy Butler has a phrase. "It's already baked in the cake" Have to believe it holds true here.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:00 pm
I’d like to hear a reasonable answer to the love/shotgun question!…. Anybody???
Gman1976
January 12, 2025 at 09:51 pm
I was wondering the same thing during the game; and then it came to me. It's whoever is calling the plays & that's MFL. He gets in play calling ruts. For example, how many times do we have to run it up the gut on 1st down? It's his go-to play. If the fans can figure MLF out, don't you think DCs can? His offense is getting stale.
nagawicka
January 12, 2025 at 09:04 pm
Was Love dinged up at all? Would that explain the shotgun thing? Thought I saw some post reference that earlier today(?) Asking b/c Favre got hurt and had Brunell but played anyway, costing us games, same as Rodgers, played hurt & played badly. We've got Malik Willis for a reason.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 06:57 am
I think Love's knee is not 100% yet. He isn't moving around as well as he was pre-injury. If this is the case, I understand why we are in shot-gun so frequently.
TOMMY'63
January 13, 2025 at 09:25 am
Possible, maybe the flower?
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 09:24 pm
Played their hearts out? They were shut out for almost 45 minutes!
Ineptitude is not playing your heart out. Love can’t throw deep, he’ll he couldn’t even hit Malik Heath with a gimme and the game on the line.
TOMMY'63
January 13, 2025 at 09:21 pm
You're right mate! Love did fuck all,all fucking year! Guty and Murphy got fucked by a shyster!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:24 pm
The future is not all that bright, especially in this division...make fun of the Bears all you want but with a good coaching staff who will help Williams, they will be trouble, (even more than they were for the Pack this year) and the Lions and Vikes dont look like teams that are going to regress....you know who is regressing...Love and MLF...sad to say...the coaches have had five years to work with Love and his accuracy and his choices with the ball...when to run, when to throw deep, doesnt seem like much has sunk in...looks like Rodgers is the dude who made MLF seem like this innovative smart young coach...MLF's coaching staff generally sucks...wheres that QB whisperer??
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:02 pm
All true (wonder why 4 downvotes????)
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:12 pm
homers where the Pack does no wrong...ever..
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:13 pm
There are a lot of Rodgers haters. It must be a Pfizer thing. Because on one leg he’s 2x the quarterback Love is. Even at 40.
egbertsouse
January 12, 2025 at 07:26 pm
No discipline, no accountability, no leadership. With LaFlower all you get is whining and hissy fits.
dblbogey
January 12, 2025 at 07:41 pm
A player fumbling the opening kickoff, Love throwing 3 picks may not be LeFleur's fault.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:04 pm
But it sure is if not taught fundamentals!!!… that’s coaching… and Pack offense sure needs it!!!
Gman1976
January 12, 2025 at 09:59 pm
Throwing low percentage long balls are part of the play calling (MLF). Time and time again, we could have been throwing more high percentage short & immediate routes; but once again, it's bombs away. Frustrating.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 12:27 pm
The HC controls who is on the staff. Has the team finished any higher than 20th in special teams rankings? I don’t think Bisaccia is that great of a special teams guru. That falls on the HC.
Scripting 60% running plays on the first 25 offensive snaps then abandoning the run game in the second half for play action deep balls when league wide Defenses are playing two deep safety looks to keep offensive deep balls in check (passing numbers are down for every offense because of this) is not adaptive football. Since MLF calls the offensive plays and ALL 3 ints were 7 step drops or play actions he does bear responsibility. Not developing even remotely close to an offense that attacks mid level or the middle of the field makes the O look stale. Here’s the offense… run the ball like crazy first half. Think the defense will start biting hard on play action in second half despite safeties lining up 15-17 yards off the ball. If WR is triple covered maybe it’s thrown otherwise it’s a check down to LOS where defense rallies to keep it a short gain. Once teams figure that out then sprinkle in reverse run fakes with best wide receiver to minimize impact in passing game while having the QB spin around like it’s a high school wing T. Problem with that is at the NFL level backers read linemen not the QB. That’s why it works in hs not at college or professional levels
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:46 pm
I like my Head coaches to be in the Lombardi/Campbell mindset. MLF is more of a Jim Mora type.....PLAYOFFS?PLAYOFFS?
Alberta_Packer
January 13, 2025 at 12:18 am
I liked Jim Mora. However probably a better interview than coach.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:03 pm
A majority whiner!!!… can’t help the positiveness of this team!
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:05 pm
Major
MooPack
January 12, 2025 at 07:28 pm
Once again this team pretty much beat itself. Eagles didn't do anything fancy except executed better. Defense played a pretty good game overall after being hamstrung by ST's bungles again. Offense...what's to say...questionable calls, questionable discipline, questionable use of the players that were making a difference. Jacobs, Kraft, Reed, but went off them when mattered. Panic seemed to set in early by LeFluer. Needed to stay calm and focused. Continuing theme against better teams. Young team blah, blah blah. I give him one more year in spite of beating lesser teams for a bloated record. Show me you can take next step.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:06 pm
I wish they wouldn’t give these coaches “one more year”
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:14 pm
The curse of all of us being owners.
egbertsouse
January 12, 2025 at 07:29 pm
I used to think Love was a second tier QB. I now think he is third tier, right there with Trevor Lawrence and Kirk Cousins.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:33 pm
yup!!! A Kirk Cousins for sure!! Maybe a step below but right around there..
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:07 pm
Can’t agree more!
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:30 pm
I betcha could if you tried!
NitschkeFromTheGrave
January 12, 2025 at 09:20 pm
Lookout, JL White Knights will still circle the wagons. I've said it before until I was blue in the face. Love IS NOT the guy. So what does the head office do? A 220,000,000 contract. $220M and we get a guy with a 41 passer rating?, in a wild card playoff ! You are 100% correct, avg QB at best, 3 tier the sad reality.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 07:00 am
Say what you want about Cousins inability to win playoff games, but his stats say he WAS a mid-tier perfomer in the regular season.
TOMMY'63
January 13, 2025 at 09:26 pm
No Lawrence is a good qb ,got fucked by urban ,bad of line,we got fucked by gute and Murphy, who pissed on themselves from fear! Gave the worthless shyster the massive $€£¥, extension before expiry of loves contract! Love did FUCK ALL!!
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 07:32 pm
MLF is limited.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:08 pm
The offensive genius is just that…. Very offensive!!!
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 08:42 pm
Then trade him to the jets!.
Seriously we traded Hologram to Seattle.
Todd
January 13, 2025 at 01:41 am
Hologram?
And Holmgren was not traded to Seattle. The Packers received compensation from Seattle because he left before his contract was up.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 07:34 pm
This team regressed. I am afraid that MLF just can’t get this team to the next level. It happens. He deserves some intense scrutiny next year. Unfortunately he will milk that playoff win vs a putrid Cowboys team for a few more seasons.
As for Jordan Love, I just can’t envision him ever making players around him better. Good not great, if he’s a franchise QB, your franchise is limited.
But we sure looked sharp against the Spencer Rattler led Saints.
Rebelgb
January 12, 2025 at 07:58 pm
MLF had Rodgers to pad the start to his career. Then he had a playoff win against a Dallas team that sh9t the bed.
He is gonna ride those 2 things to 10 years in GB. We get another 10 years without a SB.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:08 pm
He deserves intense scrutiny…. THIS YEAR!!!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:16 pm
yup..we beat the hell out of bottom feeders..well sometimes we do...often its closer than it should be..but against good teams??? Nah...cant do it...well two of those good teams will still be good next year and in the same div...and the Bears are bound to be much better...someone will work with Williams he'll be better than Love, mark my words...go ahead, mark 'em down on your calendar or somewhere like that..Williams will be better than Love.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:51 pm
If Williams had our offensive line and Jacobs.. he’d be better than Love right now.
Jordan Love is an average quarterback and a slow learner. Perhaps a bit limited in the IQ department. Jayden Daniels is already all the things we hoped Love would be.
TOMMY'63
January 14, 2025 at 04:53 pm
Love did fuck all! Next year? He'll continue to do FUCK ALL! HES A WORTHLESS SHYSTER WHO TOOK THE FO FOR A RIDE TO EXSTENSION NEVER WORTHY OF EARNING ,A FUCKING BUST OF THE FIRST ORDER! HE'LL DO FUCK ALL NEXT SEASON, FUCKING WANKER!
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 07:36 pm
Rodgers had the benefit of an excellent LT and superb receivers. He also seemed to work really hard on his form, foot work, ball accuracy & velocity. He said his throwing motion and accuracy came from the 'ground up'. I don't get the sense that Love has done the necessary work. I see Tom Clements on the sidelines but not certain if he's getting through.
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:50 pm
Obviously not cause he's still throwing off his back foot or when his feet aren't set. He is the most inaccurate QB since....actually no Packer QB comes to mind.
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 08:17 am
fthisJack,
While I might have guessed Rich Campbell, USA Today still has Randy Wright classified as "The Worst Packers' Quarterback ever", but I'm not sure they have enough film on Love just yet.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:09 pm
Agree!
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:53 pm
Don’t forget the IQ factor. Rodgers sees the bigger picture. Love is a stump.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 07:03 am
Rodgers WAS a stud and game changer. He demoralized defenses with his accuracy.
dblbogey
January 12, 2025 at 07:38 pm
It's a problem if the drop off from Jenkins to whatever clowns replaced him is so huge.
Since'61
January 12, 2025 at 07:38 pm
Defense deserved a better fate than they received today. They played well except for poorly timed bad penalties. Offense was awful for most of the game. Love looked bad again.
4 turnovers and 8 penalties are not going to win playoff games on the road.
Team was unprepared and tentative yet again. 3 bad losses to end the season is not a good look for MLF or the team.
I had been hoping it will all come together for the Packers in 2025 but the way this season ended it looks like they still have a long way to go. Thanks, Since ‘61
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:52 pm
Fire MLF and get Ben Johnson in the house.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 09:03 pm
Ben Johnson? This team needs a proven winner , that has won at this level(playoffs) .
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:01 pm
You can take comfort in the knowledge that if the Packers somehow got a late lead, the defense wouldn’t have held it with the game on the line… they never do.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:10 pm
Unprepared and tentative… once again!… that’s on LaFlower!
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:12 pm
A VERY LONG WAY TO GO…Cheesehead TV should be able to see this… and agree with this statement
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:03 pm
@bj-I think they see it but don't want to upset the Packers
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:57 pm
I hate to say it, but with Love and LeFluer, they were beat before they got off the plane.
The season ended exactly like last year.. confusion, missed opportunities, and Jordan Love multiple interceptions.
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 08:41 am
Since '61,
You say "I had been hoping it will all come together for the Packers in 2025 but the way this season ended it looks like they still have a long way to go."
Hell, offensively, they've got a long way to go just to get back to what they looked looked like in the final weeks of 2023. They seriously regressed this year, and a big part of that was on MLF!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 07:38 pm
Whens training camp?? Thats always a fun...everyones a winner then and the Skys the limit!! Only in this division the overall coaching and qb play will have to be much much better...hopefully something clicks with Love, he cant be mediocre and keep regressing...
Bearmeat
January 12, 2025 at 07:38 pm
This is hardly the worst playoff loss they’ve had. Kind of expected to be honest. The offense regressed the 2nd half of the year. Disappointing.
I’ve been Love’s biggest supporter since they drafted him. But he has to play better than he did down the stretch. They have an out after 2026. But I genuinely hope it doesn’t come to that.
But let’s not kid ourselves: This season was a disappointment overall: 3rd place in the division. QB and WRs regressed. Time to bounce back for next year. If they don’t, it’ll be firing time after 2025 for someone.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:53 pm
The pack will be back.
Start over. -
Don't be satisfied with anything.
Expect injuries.
Gute must Rebuild the depth.
Thats the only way to push for what you want.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 08:03 pm
I don’t think the depth is the problem.
It’s the starting quarterback, the head coach and ST coordinator.
jannesbjornson
January 13, 2025 at 08:03 am
Who will rebuild your friend, Gute?
fthisJack
January 12, 2025 at 07:54 pm
It should be now,,,,it's been a terrible year and most of it falls on you know who....need to make a change now!
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:13 pm
I agree 100%!
Thegreatreynoldo
January 13, 2025 at 01:12 am
Don't be looking at the "out" listed by OTC for after 2026. That $33M dead money number looks way low. Spotrac lists 3 years/$163M paid with $53M dead. That looks about $30M low on the dead money.
$39.6M in 2026 salary fully guarantees if Love is on the roster on March 18th of 2025. Since that has not yet happened, OTC and Spotrac don't include it in dead money. If he is on the roster in March of 2026, $20M of his 2027 compensations fully guarantees. That hasn't happened yet so it does not look like is included by OTC and Spotrac.
THESZOTMAN1
January 12, 2025 at 07:38 pm
All you gotta do is re-read Gil Martin's lastest article. The title: "A fast start will be Critical for Packers v. Eagles."
Gil, are you Nostradamus?
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:14 pm
Why the downvote??
JordyWoodson
January 13, 2025 at 09:40 am
Like John Madden. "The team that scores more is going to win".
BA4Pack
January 12, 2025 at 07:40 pm
Love this year like he did in his second year of college.
Let’s hope his third year is a charm.
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 07:41 pm
Green Bay was top dog in a soft division and got comfy-probably take 4-5 years to do what it will take.
MinnieSconnie
January 12, 2025 at 07:43 pm
If you're not going to do written Gut Reactions or a transcript, please enable closed captioning on these videos.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:14 pm
Agree 100%!
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:23 pm
put your beer goggles on..
Leatherhead
January 12, 2025 at 07:45 pm
Good season, looking forward to 2025.
As usual, our season ends with our #8 or #9 offensive lineman on the field. Not on the field at the end: Jacobs, Watson, Doubs, Reed, Jenkins.
You have to be able to score points against a good defense if you want to advance in the playoffs. We couldn't do that today, despite a fantastic effort by Jacobs.
Obviously, we're going to need to add some beef to the offensive line. The Myers Era is most likely over, three of our starters will be in the last year of their deal, and I can't really say that Glover or Monk looks like an answer. Protecting Love has to be priority #1.
We dug an immediate hole by fumbling the opening kickoff. Yes, I'm kind of disappointed in the officiating on that, but getting boned is part of football. I'll say this one last time for the 2024 season: You should not return punts or kicks that you do not have to. Get the bottom of your roster off the field and put your offense on it. Don't turn it over or take a penalty that starts you closer to your own goal line.
The Packers are probably going to have to ask some long term questions about the WR room. Second contracts for Watson or Doubs? The concussions are concerning, as is the serious nature of Watson's knee injury. It is entirely possible that injuries are going to stop both of these guys from having the careers they could have had.
Just a few of the calculations that GM Gutekunst is going to have to make. The beauty of FA and the draft is that you can substantially improve your team in one year in the spots you want the help most.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:56 pm
I wonder if Doubts wasn't concealing something?
That cushion helmet has to slow him down.
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 10:34 pm
Man, might want to consider retiring. Don't want too many more bumps to the head.
Bitternotsour
January 12, 2025 at 08:06 pm
that return fumble lands squarely on LaFleur. Ball in end zone, Nixon returns it. They had it for free at the 30. What's wrong with these people.
That Jenkins hit was brutal. It changed the ball game. The good news (if there is any) is that Morgan starts fresh as a 1st round tackle. BTW - Jaire doesn't get bullied into the end zone like Valentine did, jesus that was embarrassing. Hold your powder on Jaire.
For the most part I thought Myers was pretty effective, despite the drop off when Jenkins went out. Too bad for him, what an awful way to end your season. Same with Doubs, that shit is career threatening, hell, life threatening really.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 08:14 pm
truthfully Jenkins gets moved to center
And Morgan plays LG.
Walker wasn't the problem.
Go look at the penalties.
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 10:39 pm
Not sure if Tom is in the right position. Three new faces and adjust who plays which spot. Line needs to improve.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:22 pm
good season beating up on bottom feeders, not so good looking at the division record...
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 08:56 am
"beating up on bottom feeders"? Hell, they even let some of those teams stay in the games this year. MLF's way of showing that he is the second coming of McCarthy-ism.
motto
January 12, 2025 at 07:47 pm
Shout out to the defense for holding a tough offense down while given short fields and little rest.
Injuries were tough tonight. Whole lotta pressure in Jordan's face.
Penalties were not nice for the Pack and at not nice times.
Not Zach Tom's best go.
Hopefully Jordan Morgan develops into a solid starter.
What does the receiver room look like next year? Does Romeo hang it up? Tee Higgins anyone?
Jordan Love concerns me.
How does Tucker Kraft not have his number called more?
Why not more action out of the backfield in the passing game?
Can't wait for Tuesday's 3 plays....
NitschkeFromTheGrave
January 12, 2025 at 07:49 pm
I hope they play (on continuous loop) that play where Valentine is bitch slapped over and over, as he walks to the curb to find all his shit for the next bus out. What an embarrassment. And speaking of over paid morons, I can't wait for the Jordan Love White Knights to come to his rescue. 3 picks. He's been Hongoing all season and been more than lucky, well the luck ran out. 41 passer rating? In a play off? This team seriously needs talent, we have one guy, one...#8. yeah I'm pissed, real pissed.
p s. Bring in a tackling coach, I know 3 or 4 seven year olds in my son's Cub Scout pack that could straighten some of these lightweights out.
Caseys1818
January 12, 2025 at 07:58 pm
Well said. You are 100 percent right. But only think I hope for is that van ness is on that bus with valentine. Another terrible first round pick
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 08:40 pm
Did Van Ness even play today?
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 07:59 pm
Truthfully I thought the TE was #33 responsibility.
He has been injured.
13titles
January 12, 2025 at 08:25 pm
Why were the DBs so far back on that play. I told my 10 year old daughter..."watch this. He will pass a short pass to one of these guys......
...ahh the ghost of Barry
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:41 pm
"I hope they play (on continuous loop) that play where Valentine is bitch slapped over and over, as he walks to the curb to find all his shit for the next bus out"
Fortunately for Valentine he has a leader on D in Xavier McKinney who was face to face with him while Valentine was seated on the bench with his head down, giving support to a teammate at a time of a painful and very public learning experience. That's leadership. That's coaching.
Valentine is a competitor, and he screwed up big time on that play. He had an opportunity to make the tackle, low, at about the 20 yard line. he didn't and it was all over after that. And, dude, Id' expect better from you that the use of "bitch slap." Grow up.
Bitternotsour
January 12, 2025 at 08:50 pm
misogyny is his love language
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:09 pm
BN-That is your your only language.
Bitternotsour
January 12, 2025 at 11:00 pm
for your edification (though i sincerely doubt you can be enlightened), i am a misanthrope, not a misogynist. when i am inclined to interact with people, I prefer the company of women.
Thegreatreynoldo
January 13, 2025 at 01:15 am
Me, too. Sadly, the feeling is not reciprocated as fully as I would prefer.
LeotisHarris
January 13, 2025 at 08:47 am
This is why we have dogs.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 08:59 am
and our lives are so much richer because of them... (Malinois owner)
Tundraboy
January 13, 2025 at 06:09 pm
Yes and that is why McKinney is the best FA in recent memory. Let's find another.
Gman1976
January 12, 2025 at 10:06 pm
Unfortunately that play was going to work no matter what. It was destined for at least a 1st down. The DC had the corners back off about 10 yards or so even though it was 3rd and short. It's mind boggling that a DC would call such a thing. If you are betting the house & rushing 7, have the CBs play tight. Unbelievable.
Caseys1818
January 12, 2025 at 07:52 pm
To many guys this year collecting big paychecks and not performing. To many penalties all year. That’s coaching. How many times is love gonna throw deep into double coverage. Hurts throws for 130 an we lose. Really. There not going anywhere but in my eyes love an lafleur are average at best
Qoojo
January 12, 2025 at 07:57 pm
Season ending gut reaction: Love didn't make a leap in his second year, which is disappointing. He seemed better at this time last year.
Defense clearly improved this year.
Need a couple CBs in draft or FA, and more players for hafley's D. Probably need a WR too.
stockholder
January 12, 2025 at 08:06 pm
You saw a bad pass Rush early.
The CBs did well. The defense needed
to get off the field.
And when #7 went out. It was over.
Try WR #1 or OL.
Alexander
will be back.
splitpea1
January 12, 2025 at 07:59 pm
This game could have been a lot closer if not for injuries to the offense. Defense kept us hanging in there and gave us a chance to win, but...
This sporadic accuracy and questionable decision-making from Love isn't going to cut it. The Packers are paying him to be a franchise QB, so the organization and the player better figure out solutions and execute them. Even though we were hurt by injuries to preferred WRs, there were still opportunities missed, such as the throw to Heath on fourth down.
The design of the passing offense seems to de-emphasize shorter and intermediate routes leading into the middle of the field; limited YAC opportunities...Even with the successful deep balls Love has thrown throughout the season, there is too much reliance on having the receivers adjust to underthrown balls and making a great play.
Jacobs is a prime-time player to be sure. The desire and toughness was on display all game.
Kraft can even grind out tough yardage on the ground--is there anything he can't do?
The lack of management with Nixon on special teams continues...here's another one with questionable decision-making.
In all, the result of this game doesn't come as much of a surprise. We kind of came limping into the playoffs, and the inadequacy and lack of sharpness in the passing game didn't magically reverse itself. There won't be any QB controversies, but I'm sure I'm not the only who entertained the notion of bringing Willis in at some point to maybe bring a spark.
Bring on the draft profiles! Unfortunately it looks like we get an early start this off-season.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 07:59 pm
Does anyone really think this team couldn’t have made it this far with Malik Willis ? 1-5 in the division and a pathetic performance in the wildcard round .
The biggest play of the season and Love can’t hit Malik Heath on a short sideline pass.
We are stuck.. $220 million for Love , so he’s the starter for the foreseeable future.
NitschkeFromTheGrave
January 12, 2025 at 08:06 pm
Stuck .... Exactly
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:13 pm
Someone said there may be an 'out' in 2026 if he continues to stall.
retirerodgets
January 12, 2025 at 08:04 pm
Most popular player on the team is the backup qb. Biggest needs are a #1 wide receiver go backup thectruck for Tee Higgins. He would look good in a Packer uniform. Need a #1 corner. And please take Nixon off kickoff returns. He is a net negative. A n other inside LB and a center are needs too. There needs to be coaching changes on offensive side of ball. As far as special teams, I don't think coaching makes a difference as their special teams has been so bad for so long. I don't know what the answer there is
Rebelgb
January 12, 2025 at 08:05 pm
Before the start of the season I told my Brother I had a bad feeling about Love. I rewatched the 2023 games and Love made a living off of throwing up balls while on his back feet. Balls that could have easily been intercepted rather than completed. He also tended to throw falling backwards (even with no pressure); something 1st years QB's do, not guys who have been in the league 4 years.
Well I did call it. Love is still throwing up hail marys, and he is still throwing off his back foot, with poor body discipline. You will never be an accurate thrower in the NFL if you cannot keep your feet on the ground and drive the ball forward.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:18 pm
if you can find any, go watch Love at Utah State....same stuff, which is why he led all of the NCAA's in INT's one year....flinging it all over the place, sometimes good, many times bad...dont know what or why Gutes fell for this dude, many draftniks were scratching their heads when he picked him a few rounds above where predicted...
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:45 pm
Yeah, well, I'm going to need to hear from your brother before I believe a word of that after-the-fact self congratulation.
Wilment
January 12, 2025 at 08:06 pm
Well boys and girls, this game was our season in a microcosm-at least our six loses; Slow starts....down a couple scores and the offense doesnt get rolling till mid way in the second quarter. Turnovers. Nuff said there. You won't win any games turning it over four times. The o line.....why is it our backups look more like they should be stariing in the hotdog eating contest at Nathans than playing football? And then four or five penalties???The o line starters may have been ready to go but the backups looked slow and out of shape. The defense looked stout. If not for them, it might have been a blow out. Where in Gods name was Musgrave during all of this? If hes that far up on MLFs shit list, trade him. He shield here been out there catching passes. Going to be a long offseason, After all the optimism at the end of last year, this was disappointing . GOPACKGO!
retirerodgets
January 12, 2025 at 08:23 pm
This team was so frustrating to watch all year. The offense never played up to the level they were at last year. Defense improved as the year went on but Lafleur's play calling did not. If I ever see another jet sweep or wide run on 3rd or 4th and short I am putting my foot thru the TV
GVPacker
January 12, 2025 at 08:07 pm
MLF Is just not a good coach, bad play calling, too many stupid penalties ie Nixon hitting Barkley out of bounds means there Is no discipline
Thats on Matt The Flower!
Caseys1818
January 12, 2025 at 08:09 pm
Would have been nice to have cooper dejean instead of Jordan Morgan.
Bitternotsour
January 12, 2025 at 08:13 pm
did you watch the game? DeJean didn't do shit.
Caseys1818
January 12, 2025 at 08:25 pm
I mean he had 4 tackles. An he’s better than our shit cornerbacks all year
retirerodgets
January 12, 2025 at 08:16 pm
Gute has a penchant for drafting players who get injured and don't play their first year. 2 this year in Morgan and Lloyd.
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:17 pm
@RR-Don't forget 3rd rounder Ty'Ronn Hopper.
brycer84
January 12, 2025 at 08:17 pm
LaFleur didn’t fix anything all season long. Love looked worse than Caleb Williams. These guys can’t get us a Super Bowl. They’re gonna have to prove me wrong next season. But for right now they’ve earned no benefit of the doubt and all skepticism from me.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:20 pm
LaFluer and his staff have had 5 years to work with Love....he's no rookie...where's the growth??
CheesePuff
January 12, 2025 at 08:18 pm
Welcome to the 70’s & 80’s. Beer, brats and lots of socializing in the stands after the first quarter. My favorite play was the snap that rolled/bounced back to Luv like the center popped a turd. Still laughing.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:19 pm
bring back Dilwig
Green Bay Shareholder
January 12, 2025 at 11:06 pm
Jerry Tagge
Wilment
January 13, 2025 at 06:00 pm
This definitely isn't 70s snd 80s green bay football, We were in the playoffs twice during those two decades and one season was a shortened strike season. As Packer fans , we have been spoiled by the successes of this team A.F.-Anno Favre.
bjkdad44
January 12, 2025 at 08:18 pm
Love was 20-of-32 for 212 yards with the three INTs and a 41.5 passer rating…. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!…OBVIOUSLY!!!
GVPacker
January 12, 2025 at 08:21 pm
The Packers Division record Is a tell tale sign of how bad things really are with this team, losing at home to the Bears was embarrassing but that's on Matt The Flour! A Rodgers masked MLF short comings!
He's just not that good of a head coach. Jordan Love Is regressing under MLF but with the right HC I think Love can back on track.
LeotisHarris
January 12, 2025 at 08:47 pm
" but that's on Matt The Flour!"
Okay, this is my stop on the Literacy Train. Good night, everybody!
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 08:54 pm
I think we saw the real Jorden Love this year. Not a leader and nothing special at the QB position.
Caseys1818
January 12, 2025 at 08:58 pm
Unfortunately lafleur is not going anywhere this year. We were a blocked field goal from losing every division game. He’s so overrated as a coach
13titles
January 12, 2025 at 08:22 pm
After the Jacob's touchdown why oh why did MLF not go for 2 points? Fourth quarter. Nothing to lose. One score either way but if you are successful and hold Philly to field goal would remain one score game. MLF is terrible at
1. choosing co ordinators
2. clock management
3. predictable offence (really 3rd down runs out of shotgun)
4. adjusting
5. teaching discipline and smarts to the team.
Not a leader
Pkk128
January 12, 2025 at 08:22 pm
Love, Alexander, and a 6th for baker and a 5th.. do the Bucs pick up the phone?
Doofapotamus
January 12, 2025 at 08:29 pm
You think Mayfield is going to be successful with (assuming Doubs comes back) Doubs, Reed, Wicks and Heath/Melton?
Pkk128
January 13, 2025 at 01:57 pm
I think he can at least do what Jordan Love does. You cannot say he is worse than love at this point in time. Plus, us getting out of love's and alexander's contracts allow us to upgrade the wr room (higgins, davante??) in a big way. Not to mention the DL with maxx crosby.
future could be quite bright if we had a GM that wasnt afraid and actually makes this move
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 07:47 am
How about Sam Darnold after he walks from the Vikes?
Pkk128
January 13, 2025 at 02:02 pm
i like Sam a lot. But he would probably digress with this coaching staff. Us getting out from Love's contract is another piece to the puzzle. Cant be paying 50 mil for a backup
NickPerry
January 12, 2025 at 08:25 pm
That was just plan disappointing. Once again MLF team came out and looked flat. They just don't have any O-Line depth and the WR's are nothing but 3's and 4's. This team has ZERO discipline which is a direct reflection of the HC and his staff. But the REALLY sad part of this is LaFleur isn't going anywhere. He WILL be here next season.
I'm not going to get upset. What's the point. Gute has a lot of work to do without a doubt.
See you around the draft...Thank toy
Doofapotamus
January 12, 2025 at 08:28 pm
I think this is the Packers team we can expect under Lafleur. Sloppy play, numerous turnovers, multiple unnecessary roughness penalties that occured post-play, some of the worst special teams play in the NFL and to top it off, offensive ineptitude. That's been the recipe in every loss this season. Eagles first game - a few dropped passes and a missed FG. First Vikings game, 3 picks, 2 missed field goals and a fumble. First Lions game: 6-7 drops and 2 dropped touchdowns with a missed kick , a pick and 4 fumbles to pair. Second Lions game: fumble on the first explosive play of the day after punting 3 straight times, seconds Vikings game: a fumble on the first drive and a whole lot of offensive ineptitude, then today against the eagles: all of the above. Bad QB play, Heath jumping for that 4th down ball when he absolutely had no reason to, two unnecessary roughness calls that extended eagles drives close to being stopped, 3 picks, 3 fumbles (only one lost and it should've been overturned but whatever) and a missed kick. GB has proven time and time again they will always be good with Lafleur but they will never be great with him. Youngest team in the NFL or not, there's no excuse for the level of play they put forth in the last 3 weeks.
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:37 pm
Here's a factoid from another source about Love..""Next offseason, another $20 million roster bonus fully guarantees on the fifth day of the league year in 2026, by which point Love’s dead cap number will be even larger than the $58.9 million figure that he’s currently slated to carry in 2026. For perspective, the only player who has ever had a dead cap of higher than $40.5 million who has either been traded for or released in NFL history was Russell Wilson.
So unless the Packers plan on making a move that has little to no comparisons, Love is going to be Green Bay’s quarterback through at least the 2027 season.
If you’re frustrated that Love is putting up Brett Hundley type of numbers when he’s asked to throw true dropbacks (rather than off of play action), I’m not going to blame you. The deal that the Packers signed last offseason essentially locks in Love as their signal caller for the next three seasons, though, no matter which direction this big bet turns. That’s the reality of the situation.""....all we can hope for is Love puts in the time and has someone help him grow as a QB...another year of mediocrity or regression will really hurt the organization..
Packerpasty
January 12, 2025 at 08:38 pm
aargh...why bring up Brett Hundley!!! No fair!!
sugarbair
January 12, 2025 at 09:02 pm
I think we need to start trying to find another option at QB. Find him and get him ready. 1 year, 2 years when he is ready take our medicine on the cap hit for Love.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 07:49 am
Trade him even up for Darnold with the Vikes carrying the dead cap $'s.
Alberta_Packer
January 12, 2025 at 08:45 pm
So Mock Draft Monday ???
Rossonero
January 12, 2025 at 08:53 pm
I'm not surprised by the result. At all. It's probably the only playoff football game in my memory as a fan that going into it, I was convinced we'd lose. Why?
Because a team is defined by their habits. Their habits feed their identity, and their identity feeds their habits.
The Packers' bad habits have been on display for months: dumb penalties, turnovers, poor clock management, bad play calling and anemic offense.
Anybody saying they're surprised by today's loss would have me saying, "I'm surprised that you're surprised.".....because mediocre football has been this team's MO all season long. We didn't beat a single playoff worthy team, and then go on the road to Philly and expect all of these bad habits are going to get fixed in one week? Are you kidding me?
It's January. It's too late to fix bad habits by now. You fix that shit back in September or October. Maybe November at the absolute latest. But not in December and January. By then, the bad habits are like a disease that has slowly advanced in the body quietly and painlessly, until it builds up to a boiling point where it can't be ignored. Today was that boiling point.
The Packers are what they are. The future is not all doom and gloom, but the way they lost should spark some serious reflection on the following:
1. LaFleur must get better as a coach. He regressed himself for whatever reason.
2. Love must better as a QB. Yes, progression is not linear like Nagler says, but he developed bad habits this year that never went away.
3. We need more from this rookie class and recent young guys, especially Lukas van Ness, Jordan Morgan, T'yron Hopper and Marshawn Lloyd.
canadapacker
January 12, 2025 at 09:02 pm
OK - negative ninnies - vent - and keep on venting. Time to rest and recover and then get on with evaluating this years team. Other than that - Go ahead and vent. But just remember this all the staff will be back ( except if somebody gets poached)
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:26 pm
Poached?? SMH. I'd feel better about this lot if someone, anyone thought they were worth poaching.
Oppy
January 12, 2025 at 09:11 pm
There's a lot I could respond to in the 500 or so knee-jerk posts on this site today, but I'll just keep it simple and say a few things about how I feel about the 2024 Packers and what I think it takes to roll into 2025.
*IF* the WR group can correct the drops, the Packers really just need to reinforce the existing group, mostly due to Watson likely being out a good deal in 2025. They should always be looking to add to the WR group. I don't believe they need to grab a day 1, or even a day 2 player. The drops must stop, though, and they need another length/speed player in the room.
With Jaire's health, the Packers must invest in yet another high pick @ CB. It is unlikely the Packers retain Alexander after 2025. Keisean Nixon played far better in 2024 than I expected him to, but he should not be relied upon as a starter on the perimeter. I like Valentine, he is ascending, but again, not a starter at this point. Stokes played better than I expected as well, but the years of injuries stole his prime attribute, and he's a depth piece at this point. They need to potentially double dip yet again at CB.
Interior OL need to be high priority. Meyers, despite his pro bowl 2nd alternate nod, is a problem. Too many people looked at low sack numbers and far overestimated this OL group. The low sacks are a product of 1) a team that didn't drop back to pass much (30th in the league in pass attempts), and 2) A QB who is evasive, difficult to bring down, and gets rid of the ball before taking the sack. When you look at hits and hurries in conjuction with the sacks, the OL is just outside the top third of the league in protecting its QB, and they are not a top run blocking unit, either- based on yards before RB contact. The Packers MUST find an upgrade at C immediately and improve depth at both Guard spots. In my opinion, this is the #1 priority. The QB is flushed from the pocket far too often, and it typically is coming straight up the middle.
Those are my top three areas of personnel need going into 2025.
I am not as down on the DL as most. Agree they did not get home enough, but they do create pressures, hurries, and hits, and they have been much improved vs. the run in 2024.
The LB group is fine where it sits, but I can't help but wonder what one more legitimate playmaker could do for this group. Quay Walker isn't bad, but his instincts do not match his athleticism. The contrast in playmaking between Cooper and Walker should be an indication- Cooper attacks and makes plays. Walker is hesitant and plays on his heels.
Love- I predicted two things for Love in 2024. I hit on one, missed on the other. I thought Love would slightly regress in 2024 in the form of throwing more INTs, largely because I thought so many of his (amazing) plays last year came off of insanely tight-window throws and most of them were completions or harmless incompletions as opposed to picks- and I felt Love would learn a tough lesson about what you can and can't get away with- and when / when not to attempt to force the ball into those tight windows. I think that transpired, and we saw Love struggle early then reel it in mid-to-late season. What I had hoped for/predicted that did NOT come to pass this year was for Love to learn how to start fast in this league. Love was a slow starter in 2023, often taking the entire first half to 'get it going', and that did not change in 2024. In fact, It may have gotten worse. in 23, love would come out throwing the ball hot early in games, often throwing high and out too far in front of his targets. It would take him many series to settle in. With that being said, I do think the narrative of Love's accuracy being way off is widely exaggerated, or, at least, I hear fans often conflating intentionally placed balls (let's say, placing a ball low and in front due to danger from a trailing defender) as being 'off target'. Love still has a cold streak to start games, though, and that does include poorly placed balls. I believe the shift to the heavy running attack in 24 did not help at all. I'm all for the offensive balance- I embrace run first- but it certainly doesn't help your QB (who already has issues finding his groove) to get into a rhythm when you run 51-53% of the time and play selection seems to favor pushing the ball downfield off of play action, over quick timing routes early and often. Not sure what changed from 23 to 24- is it the play selection or the WR's failing to get open, or the issues with getting pushed off the spot by pressure- but 2023 Love was often hitting the top of his drop and unloading the ball on time, while 2024 sees Love dropping back, going through his reads and not finding a target before there's pressure flushing him out of the pocket, forcing him to attempt to run and gun. I expect Love to bounce back big in 2025 with the experience gained in 2024 both positive and negative. And I mean bounce back BIG. He has the arm talent and is unshakeable. He's smart. He needs interior line help.
Finally, before training camp started this year, I made a comment and it has been illustrated and proven. The NFC North is no longer a weak division ripe for the picking. It is going to be a dogfight each and every season for the foreseeable future. I certainly hope some of the meek fans learn to buck up. Winning isn't easy, and it shouldn't be.
This isn't a bad team. We have a good core roster. We don't have serious QB problems, Coaching problems, despite the angst spewed upon these pages over the last 2 weeks. This team isn't perfect, but it's within striking distance. It needs honed and tweaked. The #1 thing that separated the Packers from the top competition in the NFC in 2024 was consistent performance. Nobody wants to hear this, but inconsistency is a hallmark of young, inexperienced teams, and our offense has that in spades. The defense, which has far more experience in its ranks, performed far more consistently in 2024, and Hafley has done a great job with them. This offense, barring major personnel setbacks, will get there. Interior OL, CB should be top priorities, and the only real "must have now" needs in 2025. WR, and always look for DL depth.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 09:13 pm
For anyone counting.. that’s…5…. Interceptions in Jordan Love’s last two playoff games.
canadapacker
January 12, 2025 at 09:31 pm
Who cares. Stop picking pepper out of the flyshit
NFLfan
January 12, 2025 at 09:20 pm
Mike McCarthy put Aaron Rodgers in 'QB school' I think it was 6 hours/day. Plus Rodgers did his work to improve every off-season. Love needs to learn fundamentals and footwork this offseason. He hasn't done the work Rodgers did.
Oppy
January 12, 2025 at 09:37 pm
The "QB School" that McCarthy used to run in the off-seasons for his QB room got shit-canned almost 15 years ago when the CBA / League rules decided it was against policy to hold any organized team activities like that during the off season, unfortunately.
By all indications, Love has put in work. He spent a ton of time working out not only with his own receivers this past off season on his own time, but also with a number of other NFL players here and there throughout the league.
Yes, his footwork needs to improve. So does the protection.
harleycops
January 12, 2025 at 09:40 pm
Too pissed to write anything about the boneheads plays, players, ints, fumbles, personal foul penalties, dropped balls, bad QB play, injuries, LaFleuzy's inept coaching, and a shameful score. We'll take Jacobs great plays, but what's left?
pacman
January 12, 2025 at 09:55 pm
Since I was expecting much worse, I can't say I'm disappointed. But I expected much worse from the D, not the O. So what it comes down to is how long will management give MLF to show improvement cuz this year was unquestionably a regression. And how long will they give JL. Everytime I see him going deep my only thought is how short is the throw going to be and is it into double or triple coverage. Just because he has a few good throws and some that his WRs catch even though they are bad throws, does not make him a good QB. And today was very bad.
My only hope is that the new president won't let this go on past next year.
Watson will probably not be back, at least not for the beginning of the season. Doubs is probably done too. Feel bad for both of them. Jaire and Myers, probably done too. That might be too much to overcome to expect improvement next year.
Next year will likely be a make or break year for JL. Not sure if that will roll over to MLF too.
Really sad to end a season this way (last 3 games).
But it is always GPG.
MitchAnthony
January 12, 2025 at 09:59 pm
Not going to bag on Jeff Hafley at all. His overall body of work for the year wasn't all that bad. People wanted better than Joe Barry and they got better than Joe Barry. With the new scheme and the players they had on the roster (some who might not be good fits for said scheme) they did the best with what they had. The defense kept this game hopeful for a good amount of time. For the most part they held up their part of the bargain, especially with the key injuries they had to deal with. But they need help.
Offense and Special Teams. Not so much.
The drafting has been trending a little bit better the last couple years. The drafting really needs to be good this next time around. It is obvious where help is needed and just drafting won't get it done but it is a big part of the equation. They need to hit on some impactful contributors and not some multi-year projects. They really need a couple good FA hits as well.
Before the season started a friend asked me my prediction for wins and I did actually predict 11 and a wild card. Lucky me, big deal. Right now I would not make a prediction of 11 for next season, or a wild card. Sure, it may be too soon but I'm just basing that on how much the division has improved and how much tougher next season's schedule will be.
Green Bay only fooled Vegas once this year. That was the second Chicago game. They were supposed to win that one. According to Vegas. They are predictable in that they only beat teams they should beat and can't beat teams they must beat. They only beat the Rams and Texans because those teams were missing too many key players.
They also have to learn to quit beating themselves. The self inflicted wounds that come from lack of discipline and penalties are killer.
Jordan Love. I'm just hoping we haven't already witnessed his ceiling. Maybe there's more there. Here's hoping the decisions get better and the picks and hospital balls are fewer.
GreenAndGold_1963
January 12, 2025 at 10:03 pm
Another pathetic performance.
1. JL is not a Franchise QB. He was horrible he is officially a bust. That’s on Gute
2. MLF is not a good HC, certainly no offensive guru. He has an undisciplined team and his HC skills are poor.
3. Gute has shown some ability to add good FA additions, however he has missed on too many early picks in recent drafts. LVN looks like a bust.
4. Rich Basacia has no positive effect on our ST’s. Nixon doesn’t know when to return or kneel or he isn’t listening either way it is an issue and reflects on RB.
Bottom line- BG and MLF seats are red hot. I would clean house this off season. Don’t think that will happen but, they better get it fixed in 2025.
For 2025 - sign Vet FA game changing pass rusher, sign Vet FA WR - while I really like our WRs, the injuries to CW and Romeo, leaves is with a need for a proven veteran. Keep JA and Sign a Vet CB. This should be doable with the cap we will have available.
Draft
1- CB
2- Pass rusher
3- OL
Go Pack Go!!
cpabandit
January 12, 2025 at 10:14 pm
This is a team that was way overrated at the start of the season and they proved this as the season went on. The biggest problem I see is that there are too many Packers with shit for brains. It starts with the head coach who always had shit for brains. It continues to the players that keep getting called for penalties, shit for brains. Then goes to the rougher needless penalties like 15 yard unnecessary roughness, shit for brains. They have an incredibly overrated and overpaid QB that insists on throwing bombs to triple covered receivers or can't throw ten yards to the end zone. Shit for brains also didn't see the Eagles player in the middle of the field for another pick. There are shit for brains players like Watson and Jaire who seem to be made out of paper. There is so much that needs to be done after the season and it starts with shit for brains MLF, the offensive coach, the QB and the paper players. Good luck!
PhantomII
January 12, 2025 at 10:33 pm
Other QB's get 5-6 seconds to throw the ball= The need for a better 4 man pass rush (personnel upgrade or scheme change back to previous one.) Poor game plans, QB regression, WR regression that's all coaching and it lasted an entire season. Defense played as good as could be expected minus good pass rush that can't be fixed without premium DT and premium DE additions. We need a #1 WR with great hands and elite speed. A #2 WR who can get separation. A Head Coach who has a plan and executes it and improves those around him. We went from a run and gun offense with quick strike ability and all the WR's produced....To a slug it out run game and a few long balls....The OL improved in the run game and Jacobs is a bad ass.....The WR's and QB play has diminished to nothing. It's ML's poor vision for what this team should be is the reason for the fall off of our offense. He's not a top tier NFL Coach.
SinceLombardi
January 12, 2025 at 11:22 pm
From 9-3 to 11-7 But Matt likes the way the guys compete. lol I don’t call getting shut out for almost 45 minutes , competing.
CanPackFan
January 12, 2025 at 11:59 pm
Yes, the lack of offense generally is on LaFleur. But I suspect he has mostly a yes man staff. There's either no one to tell him the King has no clothes or he cannot objectivity analyze his mistakes and take corrective action. Maybe a bit of both?
Regardless, it's been a recurring pattern of his regime that they beat up the soft teams and give him an inflated W-L record. But he wilts in the playoffs against the better teams.
I am getting more certain that he will never get us to the promised land. I know it's highly unlikely that the new administration will give his walking papers.
JohnnyLogan
January 13, 2025 at 12:36 am
The drive that began with around seven minutes left was enough to shitcan La Fleur. Down two scores, no hurry-up offense, they run the clock down over 20 seconds on every play, call two runs, the second on 3rd and three into the middle of the pile, and then throw an awful incomplete pass to the sideline. Two precious minutes of playing time were wasted to go four and out. That is coaching at the lowest level possible. How do you retain a coach who is this clueless?
Gute made a brave call, right or wrong, in drafting Love. That, at least, shows he does have some balls. An even braver call would be to realize what MLF is: a soft, uninspired, not exceptionally bright, poor game manager, and get rid of him immediately so he can enter the coaching search. I'd take anyone who has coached high school or above over MLF. He was a risky hire but understandable hire, but after six years of fielding undisciplined teams and having proven he can't manage an important game, any GM worth his salt would say enough is enough.
It's up to Gute, or all next year we'll have to hear more of that infuriating postgame comment that La Fleur has practically patented, "It's on me, I have to be better."
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 08:44 am
I mostly agree with what ever you said (see my post below). The only part is I believe that 3rd and 3 was a pass play but Jordan Love checked to a run play at the LOS. Now if you wanna ask how tf he thought checking to a run on 3rd and 3 going to the third string guards side against all pro D tackles, whom gave absolutely zero room the entire game was a good audible I would happily join the side asking what the hell are you doing.
Where I have grown frustrated is the teams inability to generate offense the final 5-6 games outside of prayer deep balls every other drive regardless of if Watson was on the field or not, the WR was triple covered or not etc. I do not like the QB completing 55% of his passes despite being sacked the third lowest times in the league.
The most predictable part of the offense went as follows… Scripted plays (first 25 plays of game) Heavy dose of Jacobs. Usually he’s well on his way to 100 yards by halftime. Second half then sprinkles in old school wing T motion action and cute QB spins to deceive decenders and motion Reed out of any relevant part of the offensive game plan for play action passes where Love throws 5-6 prayers completing 1-2 of the Home Run balls into the red zone. Here the offense falters because they are devoid of any actual offensive play calling or strategy which results in 30-40% TD success rate and the rest field goals.
When an offense relies on 50-50 balls as part of its offensive scheme the good teams know what’s coming. That’s why against every good team the team predictably fell behind 10-14 before the team found any traction. Hard way to make a living
As for Gute, tell me if you’ve heard this one before? The team needs a standout Wr. I don’t understand how it’s justified in a pass heavy league with EVERY Super Bowl winner having a pro bowl or all pro wideout where this organization thinks they are onto something everyone else doesn’t know? 13 years without a Super Bowl with the last appearance having three legit 1000 yard wideouts PLUS a good TE why the FO refuses to accept even Ted Thompson didn’t neglect pass catchers this much. There’s a reason Super Bowl teams are successful. KC and the Belichek teams don’t stop bringing in championship level talent either by in season trades or off season acquisitions to help the quality draft classes.
the_gavia_pass
January 13, 2025 at 02:24 am
I still remember when 90% of people here where considering love a future HOF in some way better than favre and rodgers :)
as I say from 2015 this franchise needs to cut all ties with mark murphy and his people. this team got soft because of mark murphy and his soft philosophy.
he ruined 14 years of aaron rodgers building soft teams.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 03:54 am
I think it’s become obvious. MLF went 1-5 in division games because divisional Coaching staffs have him figured out. This team was a lucky last minute blocked field goal against the Bears away from 0-6 against the NFC North. Basically his offensive mastery only succeeds against opponents who haven’t scouted him regularly. Something that pissed me off throughout the latter half of the season was the stupid fake reverse run option that used Reed (arguably best receiver) as a run decoy for the last 8 games or so. Oddly that coincides with Reeds limited production at the end of the year. Let’s use our best wideout as a decoy on flex reverse motions that’ll prove valuable.
Caseys1818
January 13, 2025 at 07:03 am
So wish they would get rid of lafleur. But they won’t because he has a good regular season record beating bad teams. His press conferences make my hair stand up! At this point I would take McCarthy over him.
Caseys1818
January 13, 2025 at 08:06 am
Just listened to loves press conference… total bullshit. No accountability…
jimtalkbox
January 13, 2025 at 08:37 am
The 2024-2025 Packers weren't a good team, especially on offense.
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 08:41 am
Are any of you really packer fans?
Y’all are bunch of crybaby’s that are all middle aged men
Shit happens. Wasn’t our season. Inconsistent. Talented but inconsistent.
Some of you for 6 years have been saying fire lafleur, why did we pick love in first round.
why this, why that.
My soon to be 4 year old is a better fan than all of you. He was still saying go pack go even though we were not performing.
If you really think that you are better manager of a football team, why are you not the head coach, gm, etc?
Bunch of whiny ass bitches you guys are being. Go support another team if you don’t like anything the packers do (including bitching when we win as well).
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 09:25 am
Fancypacker,
I guess we can hope that your 'soon to be 4 year old' grows up to have more brains than you do, but there's no guarantee!
Good luck with that!
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 09:53 am
I’m sure he’s got and will have more brains than you. Lol go pack go.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 09:38 am
According to your logic as fans we aren’t true fans unless we blindly love every decision our team makes? Makes total sense to not hold a publicly owned organization accountable to the results or product they produce. That’s akin to not telling the waiter about the hair in your food because it’s your favorite restaurant. If you don’t blindly follow your team like a heard of sheep you are a whiny bitch? I suppose that makes sense. When people spend hard earned money for endless streaming services, half a pay check to attend a game, wait 35 years for season tickets, buy valueless shares to help the organization make millions more off of their customers with zero return that doesn’t give any fans the right to demand the highest standard from a team profiting $50 million a year from these whiny bitches? Oh and just an fyi complaining and arm chairing your favorite team is literally the epitome of sports fandom in case you missed that chapter detailing why being a sheep and doing what you are told is actually a BAD thing. Lol you probably lay down on the floor as your 4 year old tantrums to try reasoning about how great it is he’s expressing himself on the grocery stores floor. That you validate his feelings
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 09:50 am
Good job flying off the handle there lol. Did I ever say I was happy with how the game turned out? Nope. Cause they played like garbage and couldn’t get out of their own way. But I don’t act like a child like the majority of you folks and don’t act like a head coach/gm that is on the couch and thinks he knows what’s absolutely the best for the team, plays, etc. go pack go
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 12:10 pm
Interestingly enough not only was I a two time college all American but I also played in both the NFL and CFL. I may not have been a big time name or had a long career but I’d certainly think that my experience warrants some relevant knowledge on the topic.
As for flying off the handle? I didn’t call anyone a whiny bitch or whatever you said. I simply attacked your logic with reasoning. Don’t confuse replying to your rant with your personal insecurities. I wasn’t the one who insulted most of the people posting on this site. Overall you don’t know anything about anyone on this site so maybe don’t paint with such a broad brush.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 12:42 pm
Interesting. I too, on the internet, am a multi-year all-American and former nfl player who currently works at a very high level in an NFL front office. i suggested the blur offense to Phil Knight prior to him hiring Chip Kelly at Oregon. I knew Tom Brady was a can't miss hall of famer when he was recruited to Michigan.
i've also designed several shoes for athletic companies, and my ex-wife, a super-model (she was just a model when we met) actress with a significant influencer career is currently dating an NBA star. I only check in on and participate on this site because I am a socialist and admire the fact that Green Bay has collective ownership.
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 12:59 pm
Lol I sense a little sarcasm 😂
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 01:57 pm
You hit the nail on the head with your user name, atta girl!
Actually kinda interesting is I’m actually from Oregon who divorced a fitness model/ influencer recently :) Although Phil Knight isn’t Oregons AD so that has nothing to do with anything outside of your shoe designing. Just guessing that your shoe design was the ones released last year that made Nike stock drop 10 points five years after your ‘artistic expression through footwear’ caused Reebok to file for bankruptcy? Was that the final straw that pushed the model out the door? I mean she had to have known pretty early on the bitter man she married only had two inches to throw around but as long as the money was good. Once you trashed two companies with your apparel designs I’ll bet you got served the divorce papers? I’d be bitter AND sour at the same time. Keep those chins up man.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 04:50 pm
I'm disagreeing with your police work here. If you don't think Phil Knight hires the coaches and AD's at Oregon, you're just not a thinking man.
Bitternotsour is the flavor profile, not the world view.
But I did it, I killed Reebok.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 08:00 pm
Well then the user name is a happy coincidence. I have to say I was looking forward to your reply but your reply fell flatter than your super model ex wife’s chest. Next time don’t be afraid to take some extra time to give a better response. Maybe even google detective responsibilities so you can insult in the right context
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 12:57 pm
If you’re insulted by that, that’s kind of pathetic.
No one cares if you played football or not. Cool that you did though, an all-American to boot. I mean that.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion right?
Instead of whiny bitch, how bout pessimistic fan(s)? That better?
Sure this season hasn’t been the the greatest and it’s been frustrating. But i think this team will turn it around. Couple things gotta change but they will get it figured out.
The fans gotta not be so pessimistic and jump to conclusions when nothing is going right.
Side note: jacobs is an animal. Very excited for next year.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 01:44 pm
So far you’ve said I’ve flown off the handle and was insulted. What exactly are you reading? I’m not sure what’s giving you these impressions that you’ve gotten under my skin. I literally don’t give two shits about my football experience rather I’m expressing that you have no idea what someone’s experience or back ground is on the matter.
My frustrations come from twenty years of hall of fame quarterback play and one Super Bowl. Andy Reid has 10 conference championship games and 5 Super Bowl appearances with one stud QB and another ‘solid’ one in Donovan Mcnabb. I’d like to see investments going towards impact players in the first round not Undersized DT, Ok linebacker and back up OG with 1st round picks. Insanity is doing the same thing expecting a different result.
Fancypacker
January 13, 2025 at 01:59 pm
And sometimes it takes time. it doesn’t happen overnight.
What do you think they should invest in? Think they going to have to poke around free agency little more this year than the draft. But I’m not an expert probably a cornerback or two maybe in the draft.
Jgilmor08
January 13, 2025 at 02:16 pm
They traded up in the first round a handful of times. However when they were two or three picks away from Justin Jefferson with a good QB and all around team nothing. I’m burnt out on the FO never going after game changers at WR. Look at every team that’s played in the Super Bowl the past ten years. Every single one has two pro bowler wideouts. KC was undefeated at the deadline this year and still traded for a top WR. The teams most recent Super Bowl season had three WR capable of 1,000 yd seasons with a quality TE. Ted Thompson didn’t put a lot of premier picks into the position but Jordy Nelson was the first pick of second round. Javon Walker was a first rounder. Adam’s was high second rounder. So was Cobb.
Compared to Gutekunst draft picks as follows…..
Morgan project
Van Ness project
Wyatt/ Walker serviceable starters
Stokes didn’t pick up fifth year option
Love Didn’t take a snap for three years/ project
Gary Didn’t make any kind of impact for two years/ project
Every draft choice between Wyatt to Gary was picked when the team was in a Super Bowl window
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 09:04 am
Lots of talk about Tee Higgins!
Sorry gang, but Higgins can't do shit when your head coach forgets he's there and your rubber-armed Quarterback can't get him the ball.
It would be a waste of money!