Green Bay’s Draft Pick Athletic Thresholds: Size Matters
Examining the athletic thresholds the Packers have adhered to under Brian Gutekunst when drafting players.
By markoldacres

It is no secret that Green Bay Packers GM Brian Gutekunst loves his athletes when it comes to the NFL draft.
More often than not, if a prospect puts up pedestrian numbers at the Combine or their pro day, you should not expect them to end up a Packer.
But what exactly are the thresholds Gutekunst has adhered to? It is difficult to pinpoint exactly, but by examining the players selected by the Green Bay since his first draft 2018, there are trends which emerge.
Note: This article will often refer to Kent Lee Platte’s Relative Athletic Score (RAS). This uses athletic testing data to build a composite score out of a possible 10, comparing prospects to thousands of their positional peers to have previously entered the NFL.
The first trend is that in the first and second round of the draft, Gutekunst has only selected well-above-average athletes.
Darnell Savage is the ‘worst’ athlete the Packers have drafted in the first round, and he put up an impressive 8.37 RAS.
In round two, A.J. Dillon’s 9.15 RAS (an elite score) is the lowest of the players drafted since 2018, although Josh Myers did not complete enough testing to get a complete score.
Moving onto positional trends, one of the most well-known thresholds the Packers appear to adhere to is weight for wide receivers. No receiver has weighed less than 191lbs. and been drafted by Brian Gutekunst.
There have been rumours he has considered breaking from tradition for Chris Olave in 2022, and that the Packers hold a strong interest in Tennessee’s Jalin Hyatt this year, who weighs just 176lbs.
But as a general rule of thumb, do not fall in love with undersized slot receivers if you are a Packers fan. It will only lead to disappointment.
Size also matters for Green Bay at other positions, such as running back, EDGE and corner.
All three running backs drafted by Gutekunst have weighed at least 208lbs, while every EDGE player has weighed at least 250lbs and measured at 6’3” tall. The Packers have traditionally preferred bigger, powerful rushers over smaller, speedy ones.
When Jaire Alexander was drafted, Gutekunst mentioned he was right on the border of their height threshold for cornerbacks. Alexander is 5 feet and 10.2 inches tall, so this would appear to be the absolute floor for the height a Packers cornerback can be.
The minimum weight for a player drafted by Green Bay at this position has been 194lbs., ignoring Shemar Jean-Charles, who Gutekunst admitted was an outlier for them. He weighed in at just 184lbs.
Interestingly, the offensive line position may have an upper limit for height. Every OL Gutekunst has drafted has been at least 6’4” tall, but shorter than 6’6”. No offensive lineman selected by the Packers has weighed less than 303lbs or more than 321lbs.
For defensive linemen, the minimum weight threshold has been 287lbs, while for linebackers it has been 227lbs. There have not been enough players drafted at the quarterback, tight end or safety position to get a sense of any trend.
When it comes to the actual athletic tests players traditionally complete at the Combine or their pro day, the Packers seem to value the vertical and broad jump more than anything else.
These two drills combine to make up the ‘explosion’ portion of the RAS score, and the Packers care about this quite a bit, based on their draft picks since 2018.
Of the 46 players Gutekunst has selected, only five of those who completed the explosion drills received lower than a ‘good’ score, and none of them scored in the ‘poor’ or ‘very poor’ band compared to their positional peers.
This is worth remembering when considering who the Packers may or may not draft. If they have a poor vertical and broad jump, they may be off Green Bay’s board.
On the flipside, the Packers do not appear to care much for the agility drills, which are the 3-cone and short shuttle. They have drafted plenty of players with poor agility scores or did not complete the tests at all.
The only position where this may change is offensive line. Of the Packers draft picks who completed the agility drills, none of them scored poorly or very poorly.
There is logic to this, as there is evidence to suggest elite agility is a key ingredient for a top NFL offensive lineman.
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So, when looking at players you would like the Packers to draft, consider whether they meet the traditional athletic thresholds which would put them on Green Bay's board. It will save you so much pain on draft day.
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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres
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Comments (34)
greengold
March 12, 2023 at 07:57 am
What is their trending with Kickers?
splitpea1
March 12, 2023 at 11:17 am
I don't know about kickers, but punter JK Scott ranked up there at 8.5, so that must explain why he was so successful in Green Bay....
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 12:15 pm
There no willing to contact metric in RAS
greengold
March 12, 2023 at 06:18 pm
Well, there oughta be!!!
Long pause…………… Kickers………
greengold
March 12, 2023 at 12:15 pm
Yeah. Wow. I thought it was funny.
Totally appreciate the thresholds info tho.
BruceC1960
March 12, 2023 at 08:41 am
Creed Humphrey must have had a low RAS score?
jvole
March 12, 2023 at 09:04 am
Sadly he was a 10. I chalk that up to Gutey needing to be seen as thinking 'outside the box'.
Regardless of RAS, if you have a guy named 'Creed' vs. a guy named 'Josh', you pick CREED!
PhantomII
March 12, 2023 at 02:32 pm
Wow, a 10. I thought he had the biggest (fastest) gut. When I looked at him all I saw were lower back issues carrying that around. Creed was chosen next after we chose our new (C).
greengold
March 12, 2023 at 12:45 pm
He was just 1” shorter and 10 lbs lighter than Myers. Sadly, I think that “We want bigger football players” thing was taken too far by Gutekunst, and, Creed winds up with a Super Bowl ring.
Creed was a 2-Time Big 12 Offensive Lineman of the year. Myers? 2nd team his last season.
jannesbjornson
March 12, 2023 at 05:40 pm
Myers could be a better guard.
stockholder
March 12, 2023 at 06:00 pm
Move him and he's a Bust.
BirdDogUni
March 12, 2023 at 10:02 am
"Size Matters"
I can't believe I have to be the one who says it first...
"That's what she said..."
; P
MooPack
March 12, 2023 at 12:04 pm
Maybe Mark thinks we should select a bunch of Johnsons.
BirdDogUni
March 12, 2023 at 02:58 pm
Bahahahaha
*Well played MP...
PatrickGB
March 12, 2023 at 10:09 am
I wonder how Guties guys compare to what size of players that other teams draft? Is he really an outlier or is that closer to the norm?
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 10:18 am
We have wanted mobility on both lines and that tends to mean lighter overall. That’s what LaFleur and Pettine/Barry use. I’d love to see a little more power on O and more size, but that goes directly back to what your coaches want and will use. Hell, we even had Kenny Clark shed a ton of weight last off season. I’m not sure that was a plus.
PatrickGB
March 12, 2023 at 10:45 am
I wondered about that too. My guess is that they felt that he would do better in a role closer to a DE rather than DT.
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 10:52 am
Possibly, but the reality is that requires a replacement ready and Clark being played as such. I did not really see either justified in the field. Could that be one example of a disconnect when your coaches don’t actually report to the people recruiting?
MooPack
March 12, 2023 at 10:18 am
Packers may not use “RAS”, but the data points are the same. How they are used positionally may be different, but for the most part - “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 10:20 am
To some extent. But the results can be very different depending on what one omits and how that included is weighted.
MooPack
March 12, 2023 at 10:28 am
I don’t believe we are in disagreement .
PatrickGB
March 12, 2023 at 10:50 am
If a team scout like two-three players equally, the GM may decide that the bigger faster fella has more long term potential.
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 10:58 am
If Rodgers does move on and those who believe that Rodgers has had a strong influence in the shape of the offense are correct, then LaFleur will be changing things up dramatically and his wish list for Gute may lead to surprises for us this year.
BirdDogUni
March 12, 2023 at 11:35 am
Think we already had those surprises in AJ Dillon and Josiah Deguara... I guess we could get even more surprises, but those two were pretty big, IMO.
I really wanted Dillon in the draft. I didn't figure Deguara would go until the 5th or 6th round, so that was a huge surprise for me.
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 12:18 pm
I thought about mentioning them and avoided them as I thought we just get into draft mistake territory. I agree, both would be existing picks whose usage wasn’t as intended at drafting.
zerotolerance
March 12, 2023 at 12:11 pm
Hopefully.
zerotolerance
March 12, 2023 at 12:26 pm
Response to wrong comment.
splitpea1
March 12, 2023 at 11:37 am
I can see the relevance of these measurables in some cases, but not in others--particularly at WR. So I'm looking at DeVonta Smith, Garrett Wilson, Tyler Lockett, and super speedster Jaylen Waddle: all 1000-yard receivers that weigh less than 190 lbs. Think any of them would upgrade the Packers WR room?
croatpackfan
March 12, 2023 at 12:25 pm
I believe they want heavier WR because of blocking, but than suffers speed (mostly). I also believe blocking is more issue of technics than pure weight.
Davante was not super speedstar, but has more yards than any of them. For me the best WRs are those with fast first step, high intelligence and good body balance (that allows you to track the ball in the air without losing your step or speed).
Coldworld
March 12, 2023 at 01:28 pm
We’ve only taken one slot type and he was more of an elusive with ball in hand option physique. We used Adams in ways that overlapped that and then we reacquired Cobb. That’s part of the skew I suspect.
LLCHESTY
March 12, 2023 at 06:45 pm
The premise might be sound-you want bigger WRs to help with blocking when the weather turns cold. Unfortunately neither of the last two HCs ran any more with the changing seasons so it's a bit of a hackneyed premise.
Handsback
March 12, 2023 at 07:35 pm
In the "for what it's worth category" there was a great article in the Dallas Morning News about how jimmy Johnson had developed a value chart for players and used that chart in the Hershel Walker trade. Here are the important traits that Jimmy said he looked for in players. One had never been developed so he did it himself. Here are his 5 desired qualities:
1. Intelligence
2.Playmakers
3. Gym Rats Players who liked to compete and work hard.
4. Quickness and speed
5. Characters, because you can't win championships with bums.
He went on to say that other GM and coaches came to him including the GM for the San Antonio Spurs to ask how it worked.
Traits 1, 3, and 5 could be flushed out at the Combine. Now I know people will point to Michael Irving's character but he was also a bright playmaker and I'm sure there were other players where exceptions were made. But I'm pretty sure the Packers have something like this and their picks following their value chart may make us scratch our heads.
Just MHO
greengold
March 12, 2023 at 08:07 pm
Thanks for that, Handsback.
Off topic, but hearing “Jimmy Johnson” and “characters,”immediately transports me to a job site in Dallas, where Jimmy Johnson’s son was caught attempting to steal my rental car.
Carry on.
Handsback
March 12, 2023 at 10:03 pm
GG, exactly! Jimmy never had him on the team. Yeah I know bad joke.