"But I’m also not ready to join the mob wanting everyone at 1265 Lombardi Ave. to be burned at the stake."

Remember when the Packers USED to make all the smart moves? Bringing in new coaches when it was time, and hiring the RIGHT coaches?

It started with Murphy's choice as HC...Matt LaFleur. Then LaFleur is saddled with Pettine who I still think was better than Barry which obviously isn't saying much. MLF decides keeping Barry would be best despite, IMO, a bad showing in 2022. I don't give a damn about the 4 game winning streak to get back to 8-8 against mostly BAD teams... Barry's defenses suck!

Then, with a bunch of the better DCs in the NFL available for hire after the 2022 season LaFleur sits on his hands and does NOTHING...Just like his 2023 offensive scheme...NOTHING.

The Vikings? They hired one of those "Better DC's" in Brian Flores who is doing a hell of a job with a WHOLE LOT LESS despite going 13-4!

So my question to Jonathon is WHY aren't you ready to 'Burn" them at the stake?

As Kevin Greene once famously said to Clay Matthews, It Is Time! This isn't going to get better. I watched LaFleur unable to adjust for 4 plus seasons. He continues to so the same thing over and over again.

Hmmm...Insanity.

"what you do in that situation is adjust the scheme, not abandon it"

Did you say the word "adjust", Jonathan?

If you adjust and change things and coaches all the time, there's no continuity.

I think Stenovich gave us the answer to a great deal more than he intended with his comments on Myers yesterday. They speak volumes to his deficiencies as a talent evaluator and coach and to how the switcheroo, Hanson, Nijman, Newman farces came around.

This man is obviously an excellent technician who needs someone to handle player decisions. I have absolutely no doubt after this that he is the major reason for the OL issues. This is a coach whom we need to remove now because of the harm he is doing to the team.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/packers-adam-stenavich-praises-josh-...

It will be interesting to see what Vikings team we get. I can see them using the Monday night win over the 49ers as a launching point where they are all of a sudden the talks of the NFC and how they are one of the teams to beat. Or I can see that being their super bowl win for the season and they come crashing back to earth this week. We will see which it is.

Vikings blitz will be a big test for Love. The last time he faced a team that blitzed heavily it was his very first start against the Chiefs. that game he wasn't prepared for it. We will see how much more prepared he is this time.

On defense Barry needs to do everything possible to get Preston Smith to cover Addison. I mean without Stokes, and possibly without Alexander, clearly Smith is the next best man to cover Addison.

The Yosh situation is perhaps a peek at the disfunction and contradictory nature of this regime. Yosh has the experience and skill set to clearly upgrade the current edition of our O line. Yosh just got paid by Gute. But...Yosh made someone mad so now he is getting 'shown' a lesson. No matter all the other factors. The other players see this and I guaranty you it matters. It destroys trust and sends the message 'do what your told or else...' This is not a good look for the organization. Some of the moments and quotes from Rodgers the last couple of years make more sense. The real reason Adams wanted out, maybe wasn't just to play with his buddy? Bad leadership is a corrosive thing to any organization and has a negative affect on performance and retention that we may now be seeing in all its gory detail.

They sure looked impressive vs San Fran on Monday night.

These teams hate each other. Guessing the viqueens will have more hate coached in them, than the Pack. MLF reeks of passive, non-aggressive attitude and no way instill meanness & with an ass kicking attitude in this team. Look for another Lions, Saints beating with this team perfectly content taking it the whole game.
BTW. whats the sense in wearing shoulder pads, relics from the days when football was football.

Most of your questions can be answered with a couple of words.
They Don’t Care. MLF can coach anywhere. MM did.
They didn’t care when Favre got traded. And they sure don’t care now.
The Lions shoved them into a REBUILD. It’s Loves team.
His Development. And they're committed to him.
If he isn’t their guy. The next draft pick must be.
The youngest Team in the NFL. Equals No windows to worry about.

The best takes I’ve heard on what ails GB come from Mike Wahle. So far, it’s pretty obvious that this staff hasn’t been up to the task of developing this young roster. They have all the talent and athletic ability needed to be successful, but their technique, fundamentals, and decisions in the moment are seriously lacking. Joe Barry could have every all pro player on his defense, and he’d still find a way to make them the worst rushing defense in the NFL. If GB wants to draft and develop, they need a staff that develops. I’m not calling for everyone to be fired (except Joe Barry), but the organization will need to address this during the off season….one final thought…The Packers have relied too much on hall of fame QB play at the expense of the rest of the team. We all remember how complacent it got during the final days of McCarthy. We all remember how bad the special teams was in 2021. We all know how much the defense underperforms regardless of how much they invest in it. What GB needs to figure out is how to be competitive and win football games without a first ballot HOF QB rescuing all their underachievement elsewhere. I get it that everyone would like to see a continuation of elite level QB play year after year, but the Packers and the fans need to accept that that’s not realistic. I’m not saying it doesn’t matter who they have throwing the ball, but the team as a whole is putting an insane amount of pressure on whoever they put in that position. Way more pressure than is necessary, simply due to bad fundamentals across the board. We can’t forget how bad they were last year, even with one of the greatest to ever do it at QB. Their mindset when it comes to developing young players has to change, or they will continue to look exactly like they have looked this season.

First. I partly agree about the shift in teams but so what, every division has that over time as drafts can change the make up of any team from bad to good. I see the Vikes at the top, they will win the NFC and be there for some time.
Cousins aint going anywhere at the end of the season when they know what that have in him, pay him.
Second, the Vikes brought in an aggressive defensive coach which means they got rid of a coach who wasnt cutting it. The GM made the decision to improve.
Third, Barry is repsonsible to coach up valentine and ballentine. If they cant cut it chasing the fast vikes receivers they shouldnt be on the team.
Last, Love is going to be eaten alive. He cant pass his way out of this one, or run, or screen, he will be beaten down and the org has to ask, can we let this happen often going forward or no.

From Mother Teresa...I feel her pain when it comes to my beloved Packers:

"I know God won't give me anything I can't handle. I just wish he didn't trust me so much."

the Burpster

*people who fart in church, sit in pews.

I'm thinking Musgrave and Deguara will have a big game against the vikings. Yes, I said Deguara. He, Musgrave and maybe Kraft could be open, a lot, on short routes when Love is being pursued by minnesota's pass rush. Look for Jones and Dillon to be outlets for Love, as well. If Love can get away from the blitzes headed his way, he may find WRs open downfield. I think most passing yards will come from short passes to open receivers underneath the coverage, though. Move the chains and put the Pack in a position to score. Our D has to pressure Kark. I see Gary and Clark being double teamed, a lot, so Van Ness, Enagbare and Preston have to create havoc in the viking's backfield. Kark will throw up some INTs. He may be the best QB we have faced, this season, but that ain't saying much. It's time to win in Lambeau, again. This game will be a good place to make HFA a thing again. GO PACK, GO!!!

It's not so much that they are tougher than we think. It is that they will seem tougher given their opponent this week. Vikes are not all that good. GB is awful right now with the injuries to roster and brain injuries on the coaching side.

It's a shame Jefferson isn't playing! I was looking forward to the battle between him and Preston.. In any event, I'll be at Lambeau cheering my ass off for my Packers!

I wouldn't think the Vikings would need to blitz that much. While Love has a low completion percentage against the blitz, he has yet to throw an interception and has only been sacked three times. Denver used a "bend but don't break approach" and tried to shut down running lanes for Love, which seemed to work pretty well.

If the Vikings do blitz frequently, it would be nice to see, a) Love capitalize on it, and b) one of our receivers to finally have a big game with triple-digit yardage or multiple touchdowns--that would be a great confidence-builder for this offense.

Nijman doesn't play I think simply because he had Lewis next to him last chip blocking every time something was coming making Nijman looking better than he was. If you go back and watch some of last year you can see that quite clearly. Did some coaching for 23 years and if you look you will see how often it happened. Thus although I always got blasted for saying we should have kept Lewis and see weak line play this year how wrong was I/ Just an observation.

"It would be one thing if this Green Bay team was saddled with untalented roster, or an incompetent front office, or a disastrous coaching staff (except for Joe Barry), but I don’t believe those things. There’s plenty of blame to go around, but what’s so frustrating is that there are just too many mysteries surrounding this team."

I am afraid this is the "THING".

Don’t expect much from a banged up team and incompetent coaching staff.

First, let's dispense with the overheated rhetoric. No one is asking for the coaching staff to be "burned at the stake". Instead, you have a very concerned fan base seeing things that just don't seem to make sense. You seem to agree on this issue.
1. Why isn't Nijman playing? A mystery, wrapped in an enigma, in a riddle.
2. Why did LaFleur keep Joe Barry as DC, rather than replacing him last season, as everyone expected.
3. Why does it seem that Lafleur is so incapable of making any adjustments, either in game plans, or in making adjustments during the game? This is a pattern that has been apparent since LaFleur was hired.
4. How long will we have to hear "This is on me"; or "changes need to be made"? This harks back to McCarthy and the days of "We're going to address that", with no changes.
5. It is becoming increasingly apparent that LaFleur is in over his head without Rodgers as his QB. Given the chance to put his stamp on this team, and show the world that his offense could do without Rodgers constantly changing the plays at the LOS. So far, he and the offense have shown regression. And if WR's are not running correct routes, or the OL is getting flagged for stupid penalties, who is at fault for not stressing fundamentals?
So, yes, unless this coaching staff needs to either get a clue, or take positions in the NFL where they can actually succeed. Because right now, this seems to be a massive case of people being promoted to positions above their abilities.

I remember when we had a General Manager who had full authority of the football operations named Ron Wolf. We had a first year head coach named Ray Rhodes who had Sherman Lewis as an offensive coordinator and Emmitt Thomas as the defensive coordinator. They had Brett Favre at the helm and a good roster, yet they stunk. It took Wolf that season alone to recognize their terrible performance and he fired them all.

Gute may want to do the same thing, but he lacks the authority which resides in our CEO, Murphy who is busy building a Lambeau Field empire. Time for a change.

I feel a bit nauseous about all of it.

Actually, though, I think Rasul and Anders have been wonderful.