"Sean Rhyan did not seem lost as a replacement, and his play over the next weeks at center could be a trial period for the team, should Jenkins turn into a cap cut this offseason."

What's the difference? Bad to worse? Couldn't tell. If nothing else leave Rhyan at center and move Jenkins back to guard and give that a try. TRY SOMETHING!

I don't think it was so much Love being skittish and not seeing or missing open receivers as it was having to throw through and or around arms in his face. This might also be why they can't trust Love to do more, because it's impossible. They struggled to find anything consistent because nothing was being blocked consistently.

Lame Call = Me for thinking this was a Super Bowl caliber roster after we traded 2 1st round picks for Parsons.

Shame on me for thinking this offensive line was any good and that MLF is the type of coach to lead the Packers to a Super Bowl.

I won’t be fooled again, but more importantly does Ed Policy recognize just how dire the situation is both now and heading into 2026?

What can GB do to upgrade the O-line? My guesses: right now dang near nothing. Off-season: let Banks go (rumor has it his contract structure doesn’t make for enormous dead money, but I could be wrong.)
Is letting Rasheed leave for big money on the FA market still a foregone conclusion? And lesser so for Rhyan?
Is Morgan any good?
Can Belton play tackle, or is he just a jumbo guard?
With no pick in rd 1, is an offensive lineman a given in round two? I know GB has had success at picking linemen later. A corner would also be nice. Or of course BPA if a guy is just too good to pass up.
The work is certainly cut out.
GPG!

Rock solid summary, Kalani.

Brandon McManus is now a liability. K Lukas Havrisik is remarkably still on GB's roster. He should be getting every opportunity moving forward.

What on earth did Brian Gutekunst NOT see with teams being able to run on the Packers iDL these last - what - 6 years... 7 years? This Packers D needs RUN STUFFERS in the middle. Last time the Packers won a SB, they had taken BJ Raji the year prior, and Ted Thompson signed Howard Green. You have to have 2 of those "big fellas," in the middle. Kenny Clark's best seasons were at NT. Joe Barry had him lose weight to play 3T... and, poof!

Wyatt is a true 3T, who can play the 1T, 2T... but, he's one guy. What in the Wide World of Sports is going on here?

A quality boundary CB who can compete with top NFL WR talent opposite Valentine? Nixon does all he can, but... c'mon! He doesn't have the size/speed/techniques to be an outside CB. Get Kamal Hadden in there and get him up to speed. Players can't develop if they don't play.

This Packers team still has a ton of talent, but, it's being wasted because of poor decisions in talent acquisition/$$$ contract extensions with no ROI. Hobbs. McManus. Banks. Mistakes getting all the reps, compounding the mistakes. Wow. The Packer fans themselves can see this a mile away.

How does the Packers GM not see this, not take action..? No trades. No help. No bueno.

Getting "over the hump" is a thing.

Lastly, Matt LaFleur? This is your best? You looked like a kid who didn't have his report ready to turn in on the due date... scrambling.

***Hey Matt, try using a 6th OL.*** Seriously, wtf?

UGH.

I think your just making to many assumptions
between MLF and Jordan Love.

The problem is the OL.
It has always been the OL.

With Jenkins hurt now.( As predicted)
I felt the packers found their
center.

But the real question is
why they're not moving Morgan.

Gute made a mistake signing Banks.
The chemistry just isn't there.

MLF must change his OL, regardless
of Gute's interference.

The names change but the results don’t.
Half a season left, turn off the volume and silently watch the results.
If they (miraculously) start winning and win at LEAST two playoff games, then rewind and enter 2026.
If it continues to look like 2024, then I would assume LaFleur AND Gutekunst are gone.
When you look back at the entirety of the Matt LaFleur era, one word you never use is consistency (except for being among league leaders in penalties).
He’s just not the guy. I think we all knew it after the 2024 season.
Getting Parsons, and drafting a WR @#1 didn’t make LaFleur a better coach. It’s not happening for him in Green Bay.

As I was watching the game last night all I could think of is MLF is no longer what is best for this franchise. Another thought has been creeping into my mind as well, that thought about Gute.

Gutes picks, especially on offense just aren't cutting it. To make matters worse he gave a larger contract to Nate Hobbs who has been dismal at best. The other FA contract was to Aaron Banks who if he isn't injured, can't seem to get it together and commit a STUPID penalty at the worse time.

Yes, Kraft, Reed, and Golden were injured. Sorry but Doubs and Wicks is NOT a recipe for success against NFL defenses let alone the SB Champs. I feel for Jordan love. That first fumble was yet another boneheaded play but we could see what he was at least trying to do. But MLF has hamstrung this offense with his play calling.

I'm actually CONCERNED about the upcoming game vs the Giants. This season will go one of two ways this upcoming Sunday. Either the Packers and MLF take their heads out of their asses and win...BIG. Or this season may just spiral out of control on a downward spiral with yet another loss.

I'm actually leaning towards the spiral because of MLF. The dude is lost and looks it on the sidelines.

Turns out the other team knows what play you're going to call. Might be time to change things up.

And....so it goes, the high investment in Micah Parsons did not generate that "last missing piece" to assemble a superbowl team. JLove is mediocre....about the 14-16th best QB out there. That is the damning evidence to date...whether we face a strong or weak team, JLove isn't usually the best QB on the field. Even 2nd stringers pull off more impressive performance. MLF's biggest offensive challenge is to scheme a game that mitigates JLove's limitations. Love just doesn't see the open receivers, even (ahem) they get open...and yes, the WR corps is pretty mediocre too. So far....its Doubs and a bunch of potential. That potential is too often limited by JLove....so we'll never know if they are above average (not too likely, but we'll never know). Otherwise, MLF has to build JLove pass attack on RBs and TEs who get open by "leaking out". That and try to use Jacobs to "establish a run game" and hope the defense then loosens up on their pass rush frenzy.
This team is a loser (because they lost last week). They are losers until they prove otherwise.....so all posters who want to keep saying how the sky isn't falling, and how good this team is....well, talk all you want about potential. I say....they are losers until they prove they aren't.

I'd give a game ball to Sean Rhyan for doing a nice job at C, when Jenkins went down. Rhyan is just one of the Packers' OL men, who is asked too play outside of his college position, on a regular basis. Morgan is another. Jenkins is another. It would be nice if we drafted a T to play T, a C, to play C, and a G to play G. instead off all the jostling that occurs there.

The D was actually pretty impressive. Eagles receivers just make catches. Packers receivers just don't consistently (among some of the reasons packers lost. They did contain barkley for the most part....except...well... ok...he's barkley....and we just have Jacobs. Wait, we have Jacobs...but I mean to just give a little credit here to the D. Quay Walker showed up.

According to Josh Jacobs the Eagles called out the Packers final 4th and 1 play. The play calling was absolutely horrible and lacked imagination.

Maybe keep Ryan at Center and Belton at guard. The O-line has to run block well enough to get the defense out of 2 high shell soft defense so Love can take some play action shots down the field. Until that happens there will be no big plays (especially now that Kraft's big YAC plays are gone.)
If they don't figure it and at least make and win a playoff game, there needs to be a coaching change. (Maybe Hafley as HC) 7 years is more than enogh chances to get it done.

To me, this was amateur hour. The Packers are looking like a back yard scrimmage in some distant town. No coaching from a really bad offensive plan that must have missed the practice session. Just a bunch of individuals that don't seem to jell. Sort of like the team Lombardi got when he took the Packer job...1 win 12 losses. But there was a coach, a real coach who knew how to drill the players into performance. This LaFloor guy isn't even close. It all stems back to the 49er play off game after the Pack had just whipped Dallas. Total lack of offensive performance...run, run, run...let the QB go ice cold. And, it showed then as it does now. The offense simply sacrificed the defense There's nothing more obvious! The defensive coach knows what he's doing...and the players are responding.

Im going to keep this brief. I dont ever call out MLF, but 1.38 to go in a winnable game. 2 timeouts. Fourth and less than one, Why do we not burn a time out and get the right play and right personal on the field?? And why have McManus try that field goal again? Throw a Hail Mary for Gods sake. COACH, ITS OFFICAL, THE HOT SEAT HAS BEEN LIT. GO PACK Go!

Game Balls:

LB's - Cooper with the punch out and Walker were all over the field. They are really playing well.

Defense as a whole - They were playing really good. Except for 1 drive they played really well.

Lame Calls:

Offense - They have lost 3 games by a combined 9 points. All they have to do is have 1 drive in each game and they don't lose these 3.
They continue to shoot themselves in their feet. They can't sustain a drive without having a negative play blow it all up.

Refs - How do they miss 2 false starts on back to back drives. It looked like to me that the eagles moved early all night, but whatever. The tush push needs to go. The play is bad but they don't officiate it right. If they would officiate it right they wouldn't get away with it.

Injuries - They finished the game without Jenkins and Doubs. The WR unit was already without Reed, Golden. Williams, Watson and Wicks were all coming off injuries.

Three and Out:

LaFleur - Everyone is piling on Lafleur. Has he been perfect, no. But with how the offense is executing the plays called would it really matter who is calling the plays. They converted a 4th and 1 to have it called back for a false start. They had another 4th down dropped. They had a big play down the field that got called back because of improper lining up.

Love - Love needs to be better. But at the same time, how can he be better when the OL has been bad, and the Wr's are dropping balls. Or on the opening drive Watson for some reason turns into a DB and has the ball bounce off his head. If he just plays the ball he possibly catches it for a monster play that changes the game.

Gutey - Everyone everywhere is non stop piling on LaFleur. About his decision making, about his playcalling and whatnot. But no one is talking about Gutey. The players they brought in this offseason really haven't payed off. Hobbs and Banks have not really helped much. Banks had the false start that negated a 1st down on 4th down. But look at the draft class this year. Golden, Belton, Williams, SOrrell, Oliver, Brinson, Robinson, Williams. Golden has played and has a bright future, but he really hasn't had the impact yet. Belton hasn't played much. Wiliams to this point has been a Kick returner and gadget player. Sorrell has played some but is buried in the depth chart. Oliver is on PUP. Brinson has played some, but no impact. Robinson was picked up by another team, and Williams is Pup.
This years additions have done little to make an impact. Its time to throw some criticism towards Gutey.

Last week Santa Szotman gave Game Balls to the offense and left the defense with coal in their stockings. This week, of course, it's the opposite. Only presents under the tree go to Jacobs, who continues to be the most consistant elf. Another goes to Musgrave, who ain't Kraft, but at least showed up. Whole O-line gets scratched off my list for now.
On defense, whole squad deserves great gifts. Holding powerful Eagle O to 10 points quite an achievement Only 2 "naughties" --- the Barkley screen and subsequent TD. But it was O that gave this "present" to the visitors.
Oh, and don't forget the 60,000 believers who thought they had the Christmas town advantage. 2 weeks in a row.
Ho, ho, ho. No, no, no.
Santa Szotman

LAME BALL: BRIAN GUTEKUNST. He is the architect of the failing OLine. He has been allowed to spend lavishly on his personal pet players and projects with little return on investment. I also think he pressures MLF to play his failed choices--Banks, Hobbs, Belton, Morgan are the latest gems for 'Mr. Urgency'. The failed list is long and he is the biggest problem followed by MLF.

MLF and his mediocre positional coaches

Game Balls: Evan Williams, Jacobs

I feel sorry for Love-he has little protection and that is squarely on Gutekunst

owner to MLF , if you don't roll over the Giants next week don't get on the return flight.

La Fleur standing at a table with his back to the field as the defense tried to save his ass was embarrassing. He looked like a kid trying to quickly copy his friend's homework before walking into school. Le Fleur just doesn't come across as bright enough to think creatively and rapidly.

Your O-line is getting beat, throw quick passes. Watson was clearly your best receiver, so you throw more to Melton? What Le Fleur doesn't do that other coaches do is throw a lot to his best receiver; Amon St. Brown, Jamar Chase, Jefferson, Puka... they all get at least 10 targets a game, because they're the best receivers on their team. Le Fleur likes to keep the fiction going that all his receivers are equal, and that's how Melton gets more targets than Watson. It's just dumb.

He doesn't possess a sophisticated offensive mind, regardless of how he was sold to us. Seven years is long enough. It's time.

I didn’t want to read these articles at first because watching the game was bad enough, but here I am. The o line was awful in the first half. I’m not sure if it was the adjustments or if Rhyan really looked better than Jenkins. I’ve been saying LaFleur doesn’t trust Love, and it showed up again. I think LaFleur is the biggest problem . He doesn’t seem to have any confidence in the offense and he’s the play caller. He seems to only trust Jacobs but the line doesn’t open any holes for him. It hasn’t worked for several games now …maybe try something else?

"the Packers clearly did not trust him from shorter distances either, attempting a couple of long 4th down attempts rather than long 50+ field goal attempts."

I had no expectation that anyone was going to hit a 64 yarder last night with a cross-wind and cooler temperatures (which deaden the football). That said, McManus' "practice kick" was only just short which got my hopes up. The actual kick never had a chance. Still, we've gone from the era of 50 yards being a long and challenging kick to 50+ being the norm. Your kicker needs to be able to hit those, and you have to have confidence enough in him to try. Again, that expectation needs to be tempered as the temperatures drop.

"The Packers are on the road next week, and will take on the Brian Daboll-less New York Giants.'

The Giants will be a bit of a wild card this week. Interim coaches usually aren't afraid to take chances and players often know that coaching changes put them on the hot-seat, too, so there could be surprises. This should be a team the Packers should beat, but sadly the book on the Giants is to run the football which plays into the Packers' inconsistency in sustaining drives. The Packers need to temper the desire to NOT put new looks on film for the Vikes, Lions, and Bears (the next three weeks) with getting healthy, offensively.

"The Offensive line was overwhelmed, the run game ineffective, Jordan was jumpy in the pocket and made inaccurate throws because of it."

Most of this is attributable to stubbornly conservative game plans.

I've been very supportive of MLF since he was hired, and I guess I still am, but man.... let's just say I didn't love his work this week. I get it that being without almost all of your pass catchers (and Elgton Jenkins) is pretty rough, but man...... didn't love it.

I'm not willing to fire the dude just yet, but it needs to be better.

how many times last night did Aikman call out Love for not seeing open WR's, not leading his WR by putting the pass in the correct area, etc...Love is just not thinking quick enough to be a top ten NFL QB...blame it on the O line, which isn't helping for sure but with MLF and Love running things this team will never get past a wild card game...if they even make it that far...and losing two games in a row at Lambeau??? Pathetic...Ed Policy is for certain taking notice...

Man reading this stuff sounds like life and death. It is only game nobody will die because of it.

Bad knee or not Bak would be better than what we put out there stinking it up on o LINE.

The Packers should just wear last week's crap brown uniforms for the rest of the season...they are morphing into the Browns: Great defense, but...

Another year of curb your enthusiasm and lowered expectations. At least the defense decided to show up last night. It all begins and ends with the line play you are not going to do much without an effective O-line. This group ain't got it, and it's only getting worse with the injuries. Unless they find a way forward, I think the best they can hope for is to make the post season dance, but even then it will probably be a one and done.

My Game Ball goes to the defense for an excellent effort again.

Lame Call: "Ditto" for all of my comments over the last 7 seasons about MLF and his offense.

Thanks, Since '61

Kalani ... Jenkins devastating loss? From what i have seen Jenkins is either nursing some bad knees, or just going thru the motions until he can collect his 18 million and then walk away from the game. (Posters) Forget about him being a pro bowl left guard those years are long gone.

Kalani ... Agree game balls to Evans and Jacobs, both play with 100 percent effort and give everything they got...
Offensive line ... playing with undersized tackles, on record they don't give up many sacs but they are almost always get tightend chip help but still get shoved back into Loves feet... usually in seconds.
As far as Jenkins I posted what I thought of his effort this year, lets go with Rhyan cant get any worse.
MLF... Im not sure what the big rush was on the fourth and two at the end of the game? They were better off calling one of there time-outs and put something together that they had scouted during the game. Rushing to the line of scrimmage without a play called? Players out of formation? so of course the whole Eagles defense keyed on Jacobs. To me that was MLF biggest sin and the dagger of the game.
J Love... I said what I thought about Love and his once a week panic throws at last weeks game, One fellow poster said that I was not a fan and should go back to Indianapolis? ( what ever that means ) But no I'm still here ... and so are Loves once a week panic throws ... ( boom )