"they can make a Super Bowl run if they can just learn to stop beating themselves."

Kind of puts it in a nutshell for the players and coaches, AL, but it's the same for just about 32 teams.

Love...We knew he'd be rusty against the Vikings. Up to that point Love had played one preseason series of 3 snaps and the week one game. I was actually surprised he got it going in the 2nd half after watching that first half. But he DID get it going. Whether you think that was because of the defense the Vikings played in the 2nd half or Love finding his groove, he played MUCH better than any point so far this season.

Listened to Wilde & Taushe and they brought up some interesting stats. Right now, according to PFF, Rashon Gary has a 3% win rate...THREE FRICKING PERCENT! That's just plain pathetic. Kenny Clark had been a no show for 4 games and Gary is just as invisible. I would rather live and die by the blitz than watch guys like Sam Darnold pick them apart when rushing 4. Opposing QB's have had an average of OVER 3 seconds to throw against the Packers. Watching Gary rush the passer is a joke. He lines up, smashes into the RT, and gets STONED every time!

The kicking situation is a nightmare. Narveson is a hack. I mean it's just painful to watch him perform. You would think a good ST Coordinator could help this kid correct this since EVERYTHING he misses is to the right. The Packers pay Rich Bisaccia a shit ton of money and for the most part the Packers have improved in certain areas on ST. But CLEARLY a kicking coach he is NOT!

I find this week 5 game a MUST WIN for the Packers. Going 2-3 isn't the end of the world though I think they'll beat the Rams. But IF they were to lose they'd be 0-3 against the NFC. That kind of start could go a LONG ways in determining a playoff spot.

LETS GO!!

The Team chemistry changed.
The packers staff is back to hope.
I would not be surprised to see MLF
seat get hot.
The injuries are reminiscent of
a promising season gone bad.
The mistakes replaced progress.
And MLF knows it.
The comfort level is gone -

I hated those instant replay overturns because I didn't think there was clear evidence. That was the original standard for overturning plays. Now they just make their best guess, regardless of how the play was called on the field. But the one that they clearly screwed up worked in our favor. Xavier McKinney was juggling the ball when he went out of bounds on that interception. I have no idea how the replay officials failed to notice that.

I was also surprised the Packers elected to kick off to start the game. Considering that they've been doing the opposite for awhile now, I thought it showed a lack of confidence in Jordan Love and the offense. Which turned out to be justified, although unfortunately the defense was no better.

The announcers had me so screwed up on that muffed punt that when the Packers ran their play from the one-yard-line, I thought it was a two-point conversion attempt. I know that a muffed punt can't be advanced, but it all happened so fast, and the TV broadcast indicated it was a touchdown. They had me fooled on the Matt LaFleur outburst as well. I didn't find out what he was really mad about until I read his comments after the game.

The second half comeback was better than if they had just folded (which should never happen anyway), but I was not terribly impressed by it. The Vikings had a big lead and let up. We've seen the Packers do the same thing many times over the years. And it said a lot that when the Packers got within six points, it took the Vikings only a few plays to easily get within field goal range.

Try out Brandon McManus as kicker, NFL dropped his case. He is a 82% lifetime kicker and is 33 years old. Maybe a good stop gap! Just a thought seeing the 2 guys they tried out yesterday sounds like chopped meat.

Al, you pretty much laid it all out. Love was a bit rusty in the first half and better in the second half. But he has a tendency to be too aggressive when trying to catch up late in a game. Gotta do better.

I thought a few things happened in the beginning of the game which had a big impact on the game. I didn't hear the full decision, but Lafluer chose to defer to receive the second half kickoff. Just seems to me that they do better when they take the ball first. Second, on the first third and 14 where Jefferson made the firstdown, Hafley should had used max pressure to force a fourth down. Then Wicks dropping the third down pass to force a missed field goal. Any one or all three of these things change, the game outcome may have been different.

Finally, they gotta get Kraft to hold on to the ball. Have a drill of defense players trying to knock the ball out.

This team is talented. But it is still going through growing pains. And we will see games like this. But they will win their share.

I wil never blame poor officiating for a loss. Poor officiating is part of the game. Championship teams overcome bad calls. Now I will say that the crew on Sunday was really bad. They missed call, called non existent penalties, and the replay was wrong. Yes Wicks caught the ball but Xavier McKinney's INT was not an INT. I will forgive the officials from making bad calls because of the speed of the game and they are human. But for a sideline official not to look at the coach after a play in a timeout situation is inexcusable. Also for the replay to make those mistakes is also inexcusable. Get it right or get rid of it.

I do not understand why they opted for the drop kick on the onside kick. To me kicking off the tee is better as the ball is stationary. I hope one of you people with more knowledge can tell us.

This is what happens when you try to save money on a kicker. Kicking is very important so you need to have a good one. I say we try Hale for a couple weeks. If he is not any good lets go after Joseph if the Giants release him in a couple weeks.

My take in all this and I could be wrong but I think the Pack are an above avg team and thats all. This was not a close game. The Vikes would have done whatever to point more points on the board if they had to. They were coasting the second half. I think they were trying new plays and just experimenting knowing the game was over at the half for them.

1. The Vikes pass d fought our defenders for the ball all game. They rushed to the ball and met the receivers and made tackles at the spot of contact. I saw at times Vikes receivers wide open with no packer around them and Darnold missed them or it would have been a much worse outcome then it was.

2. I saw a pass rush using stunts and techniques to get to the passer, not just some straight forward bull rush like the Packers think they can do but cant.

3. I saw closing speed and coverage speed by the Vikes linebackers, one getting and interception 20 yards downfield running backwards. Our linebackers have no ability to do this, they lack vertical speed as well.

4. I saw a QB having the time to accurately place the ball where the receivers could catch it without regards for being hurried.

5. I saw a kicker actually kick a field goal without any issues.

6. I saw receivers running slants leaving the corner eat dust and looking foolish.

7. I saw a 4 man pass rush accomplish nothing and get beaten down by an O line that protected their guy.

8. I saw a rb get almost 100 yards and score a TD and ours work to eck out 40 yards.

No this was a beat down. Any team that can protect the QB and have decent receivers with speed can dominate the packers but then the pack doesnt care about d its just put up more points on O and that doesnt win SB

Sam Darnold -
"The fact that the Packers could not make him even slightly uncomfortable in the pocket in the first half was like handing them 28 points, and that's just what they did."
This has been the most disappointing part of the team so far. The lack of a consistent pass rush from the front 4. This camp/preseason Gary looked unblockable. What happened to that?

Jordan Love -
While Love was erratic and looked very rusty, Love started to find it in the 2nd half. He started hitting downfield more. He made a bad decision on the last INT. Other then that his decisions were pretty good overall. I saw a lot of fans saying he should have been taken out in the 2nd half. To me unless he was in danger of getting hurt, I didn't like that. I liked seeing him work through the rust and his injury and hopefully this week we see the better version of Love.

The challenges and reviews were so one-sided -
Legit the only call I think they got right of the 4 reviews was the last Jefferson catch. The other 3 were all wrong. 2 hurt GB and 1 benefitted them. The first catch overturned to me was the worst call overall. They overturned the call on the field when there was not 100% with out a doubt evidence to over turn it. The next Wicks one to me should have been overturned because it was pretty damn clear his hands were under the ball.

Place kickers around the NFL are doing amazing things -
I am going to keep asking this question until i get a good answer for it. How is the operation of kicking? The snap to hold to kick? I really question when I see the inconsistencies by multiple kickers that they had. Also I ask because Narveson was almost perfect in the preseason. And then Joseph just went 5-5. We know the snapping was not good last year. And I question how good it is this year. The process maybe the bigger concern then who the kicker is?

"Despite the penalties, inaccurate passing, drops, interceptions, fumbles, missed field goals, and minimal pass rush, the Packers came THIS CLOSE to completing an incredible comeback. I don't know about you, but that gives me some comfort that the talent is there on this team and they can make a Super Bowl run if they can just learn to stop beating themselves."
They were down 28-0, and came within 6 points with 10 minutes left in the game. They possessed the ball 3 more times and had 2 turnovers. If they don't turn it over either of those times they have a realistic chance of winning. Just the fact that they played as poorly as they did, and still had a chance to win shows that this team is willing to fight. Also should scare a lot of teams that they can play as poorly as they did, and yet can comeback.

We're 2-2. The Lions appear to be for real. I expect the Vikings ship to take on water and sink slowly. It's a long season and I expect improvement in Green Bay.

As far as the broadcast, the visuals are even worse than the announcing. It gets more and more challenging to focus on the action on the field with all the cutaway shots. I'd like fewer looks up Hafley's nostrils and LaFleur with a play sheet in front of his mug and more, you know, football. I understand it's reality TV and not going to change for the better.

Heading out in the yard to yell at clouds.

I, Pantz Burp and my ranDUMB thoughts;

I think we agreed to play in South America to secure our hosting of the 2025 Draft.

Constructing underground parking at Lambeau Field gave #8 from the Jets his idea for his darkness retreat.

Yes, #10 is dealing with an injury. The start of last year too, his passes seemed lumpy without much zip to them. Not sure why just my observations then and now. I like Love mucho and the same for #2. Keep #2 around and on our roster

If Coach LaF wasn't pissed at the referee not calling a time out, I would have been pissed at Coach LaF.

With all that went wrong for the Pack...almost unbelievable they had a chance to win. This will be the game that we look back on as a pivotal moment to our future success.

Make Whelan our kicker as well as our punter. (Keep some kicker on the roster for game day but give them a Rubics cube and tell them to go over there on the bench).

Win # 801 is coming. I need to look up if we have the most loses in history as well?

If Chicago is where QBs go to die...are the Packers where ST coaches go to die? I like that lil Italian dude but this is a business. (along with entertainment)

Sophia Loren or Raquel Welch? I think both would look quite handsome in their Hardware Hank gloves and give it their all while performing the Beer Barrel Polka.

Just like the Patriots vs Seahawks Superbowl, I am sad that one team will win and happy that one of them will lose in the Vikings vs Jets tilt.

We should que up that Bobby Uecker quote from Major League after a missed FG. "Just a bit outside". This will restore much needed levity at a time where it is needed.

I think using hankies are being polite but must be washed after a week's worth of use.

Man, I miss those Jack Palance one-handers. Sorry, I digress...

Yours, until the cows come home,,

lil half-pint pantz

My concerns:

-Coaching choices (How was a non-kicker chosen to rescue a failing ST unit?)

-Defensive Draft choices--where are the drafted elite players on Defense? Packers (Gute) have invested significant Draft Capital (repeatedly)
on 1st round picks who are mediocre @ best--This is a wasteful approach, it depletes resources for other important positions and forces the Offense to carry the team.

-Lack of accountability for above-mentioned failures.

-Gute's repeated poor Defensive Draft choices--
-Subpar coaches not fired in a timely manner (Barry, Bisaccia),
--Poor player choices remain too long

I sure get tired of coming here to read that our coaches and players aren't very good. It's nonsense.

Excellent football teams play complementary football.

- 2/3 of Defense is subpar= D-line, 2/3 cornerback room, middle line backers
-Offense cannot rely on kicker-will need to play too many 4th downs.

Too much emphasis (once again) is being placed on the QB/receivers.

Games are won in the trenches. Our o-line is doing their part. Our D-line is not-that is a 50% drain on the team.
When I look at well-paid, competent edge rushers, I think Bosa, Maxx Crosby, TJ Watt, Myles Garrett. If any of them performed at the the level that very well-paid, 26 y/o Rashan Gary performs, they would be fired. The rest of our D-line is also subpar, either not talented enough or??-LVN is another questionable draft pick, the one who was supposed to take over for Clark or Smith
. This poor performance precedes the hiring of Haffley. No one is preventing Rashan from pressuring more than 4-5 x/yr or sacking more than 2 x a year. Q Walker is a another bust and dragging down the team.
Haffley inherited a weak cornerback room as well. Stokes cannot tackle nor can he keep up with star shifty receivers. He runs in one direction. Nixon has heart but he is not a cornerback. Jaire is talented but mercurial and oft-injured.
The Safety room looks great but that is not enough to make up for a poor showing by the others.

I still think this is more about Gute's inability to assess quality D players in the Draft. There are just too many first round pick D failures.

I agree Al!

At home, your QB needing to shake off some rust and get some action, win the toss...and kick off??

Chance to get the lead and put pressure on the visiting foe as best case...worst case you go three and out and let Whelan boom a rocket and let the crowd boom some more.

Instead the worst happened. SMH. I don't understand Matt's decision making at times. The Packers had the opening possession vs Eagles, Colts and Titans.

Drive vs Eagles stalled but Whelan dropped the punt on the 10. Eagles then threw an INT to X.

Drive vs Colts ended in a FG.

Drive vs Titans ended in a TD.

Why be afraid to take the ball, at home, in a quiet stadium of fans watching your work?

AL,

Great laughs on the kicking segment; truer words could not be spoken. My eldest son has had a gift of crushing ⚽balls since 3rd grade, is PK / P for JV2 high school. Anticipating he makes varsity as a sophmore next year and his first Kohl's event beckons. A dad can dream.

Excellent ❗ on the 2nd half defense...insinuating, YES a DC that can make adjustments!👍

Outside of PK, I think the biggest cloud hanging over 1265 through 4 weeks is the incompetence of our seasoned Bulldogs. I was not a fan of Stokes, Walker, or Wyatt picks, with Bullard the exception as his tape did stand out and gets a pass as a rook.