Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Gutey Said What?
The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.
By JerseyAl

The easy answer to the question posed in the title is - nothing. Or in some cases, nothing he hasn't already said. He came to the podium and gave the assembled general media (of which our own Aaron Nagler was a part of) a few minutes of his time. (note, there was also a separate interview just for local GB TV media). It won't be easy, but in the interest of polluted mindsets everywhere, I'll try to give you some commentary on what he said in the podium interview.
First off, let me just say that we will see world peace and a cure for all deadly diseases before the NFL figures out how to make reporters' questions actually be heard on these videos. A question is asked and then if the speaker doesn't repeat any key words, you have to spend the duration of the answer listening for clues and trying to figure out exactly who or what they are talking about. Gah!!!
By turning the volume up to 12 and risking piercing my eardrums, I was able to figure out in one instance that Gutey was talking about Anthony Campanile, who left the Packers for sunny Florida and the Jacksonville Jaguars. Campanile was a Jersey boy and an old school coach in a younger man's body. You could have taken any other assistant off this team and I wouldn't have cared as much as I do losing Campy.
Gutey said he hasn't thought much about the Tush Push" which only confirms what we all assumed - this is strictly a Mark Murphy crusade. Murphy's looking for one more NFL accomplishment to add to his legacy before he walks out the door. As for the play itself, my preference would lean towards going back to the pre-2005 rules that made it illegal. But I can live with it either way - as many have said, if it's legal, it's up to you to find a way to stop it.
[editor's note: 9:30AM EST - Well, I've just been told this was not Murphy's doing, it was someone else on the Packers. I can't say more at this time...]
Quote: "Lukas Van Ness is everything you want in a professional as far as his work ethic and everything he puts into it and I expect him to take a big jump this year" That's great to hear, and you know he has the physical traits they look for, so what's holding him back?
Not Gutey related, but I saw this and having been at this game, I think it's pretty cool...
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Back to Gutey: Asked about the re-emergence of the running back in the NFL, he said, "First and foremost, they have to be able to function in the passing game." I'm not sure he really meant to say "first and foremost" which would indicate that was more important than running ability, but the point he's making is clear. I just wish the Packers' offense would scheme routes for the running backs more often, especially in games where the WRs are not getting the job done.
He claims it's never been a philosophical thing to not draft a WR in the first round, but rather just the way it shook out. I'd say 22 years is an awful lot of shaking...
"We need to affect the quarterback with four and how we do that remains to be seen." Gutey mentioned getting to the quarterback with four several times in this press conference, which I think is a direct reaction to what you saw from other teams in the playoffs. I highlighted some examples in this post from mid-January.
Gutey reiterated the importance of "versatility" when it comes to offensive line prospects. So keep that strongly in mind when all you mock draft maniacs are drafting OL for the Packers. I have a few faves, but it's still too early in my evaluation process to mention them. Is that a tease for the CHTV Draft guide? (in your best Wisconsin accent) "oh ya, you betcha!!!" More details will be coming soon.

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Comments (53)
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 06:54 am
It's not just the NFL, Al. You can't hear any questions they ask the Presidents in their conferences either. I would expect the NFL to get it right faster though.
"We need to affect the quarterback with four and how we do that remains to be seen."
It would be nice if he had a clue, at least. I guess I won't even try to figure it out. I don't even mind if the 5th was sent as long as he or one of the other 4 affected the QB in some way. No more 4-5 seconds allowed to pick apart the weakened secondary.
murf7777
February 26, 2025 at 07:55 am
Steve, regarding affecting the QB by only rushing 4, I’d say every team tries to find the players to achieve that and most fail. There just isn’t enough great DL to go around and they get spread out due to the salary cap. So, it’s a great goal, but while you try to build such a great rushing and stopping the run attack you must have a great DC who can do other things to rush that QB. A case in point is that Philly will probably lose one or two of their top 4 DL in FA this year and will struggle to achieve what they did in this year’s playoffs with only 4 DL.
While trying to find 4 great DL, I’m hoping Hafley gets this D to a top 5 so we can make a serious run at another SB.
TKWorldWide
February 26, 2025 at 08:32 am
I was shocked to learn that Philly’s D had less sacks on the season than GB’s.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 09:00 am
Bet Philly had a few more during the playoffs?
Didn't most of the Packers' come in a couple games? Ones that they didn't have to worry about running so much?
TKWorldWide
February 26, 2025 at 12:34 pm
For sure. Philly got a ton of them when they really counted!
But I have no idea how they were distributed during the regular season. I’d wager they loaded up a few times vs crummy O-lines as well.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 09:12 am
Beating 5--and often 6--guys with 4 guys in under 2.5 seconds just isn't easy. The Vikings and Lions were tops in the league and blitzed 34+% of their defensive snaps (depending on how "blitz" is defined).
Playoff teams in the top 10 in blitz %:
1. MIN 38.9%
2. DET 34.6%
3. TB 34.2%
4. KC 31.6%
5. WAS 31.5%
7. DEN 29.5%
Playoff teams in the bottom 10 in blitz %:
31. GB 17.3%
27. PHI 19.1%
27. BUF 19.1%
26. BAL 20.3%
The Packers have an established top 3 on the perimeter. Adding a speed guy might help. I think they get more by improving their interior pass rush...one spot in the IDL rotation is open (Slaton), but I'd argue that it wouldn't be hard to push snaps away from Colby Wooden toward a good IDL, just as Brooks and Wooden could also figure into the DE rotation (I think that's where Brooks belongs), too.
Cheezehead72
February 26, 2025 at 07:15 am
I am glad Gutekunst is not saying much. Remember just because he says it does not mean it will happen.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 09:18 am
It's not in the GM's or team's best interest to share any substantive or truthful information.
Every player is valuable.
Every draft pick was the guy they wanted.
packerbackerjim
February 26, 2025 at 08:37 am
“How we do that remains to be seen “. To coin a phrase, only so many big (effective, dominating DL)guys were made. You can either pay bigs bucks, trade valuable draft capital, or suck so badly one season to select one early in the draft. Another, rarely seen in GB, is coaching and developing. Maybe Covington is that guy who unlocks LVN’s potential.
LeotisHarris
February 26, 2025 at 08:42 am
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Hmm. units standing 8 inches tall, you say? Must have been difficult for the designers to resist outfitting the feet with Crocs.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 09:19 am
I hear they sent pictures of it to random NFL beat writers in NY.
LeotisHarris
February 26, 2025 at 10:25 am
Uh-huh-huh-huh-huh.. you said "beat".. uh-huh-huh-huh.
Bitternotsour
February 26, 2025 at 09:53 am
#4 both literally and figuratively
GregC
February 26, 2025 at 08:43 am
After what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl, the four-man pass rush has become the Holy Grail of how to win a championship. It's something to strive for, but maybe it was an outlier and not something that we are likely to see again.
What the Eagles did on offense was even more impressive than what they did on defense. The Chiefs offense sputtered all year long. They finished 15th in points scored. The pass protection was so-so. They were 18th in sacks allowed--slightly below average. The Chiefs defense, on the other hand, finished 4th in points allowed, and the Eagles absolutely lit them up.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 09:05 am
The Chiefs sold out to stop the run, and they did. How'd that work out for them?
We stopped the run well this season, which is why our pass rush suffered, but I think the D wasn't our problem.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 09:23 am
"After what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl, the four-man pass rush has become the Holy Grail of how to win a championship."
I would argue that in NFL team circles it's always been something GMs, coaches, and coordinators have had an eye on. Heck, knowledgeable reporters and writers have been talking about it for ages. I think it's that this game has made it front and center for the scruffy, click-seeking commentators and the chucklehead podcasters.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 09:32 am
Remember the Fearsome 4-some? Purple People Eaters? Monsters of the Midway?
They didn't have to give Reggie W. a nickname. Can't remember when Minister Of Defense came along.
dblbogey
February 26, 2025 at 11:29 pm
The good old days, pre-free agency, when good players spent their entire career with the Packers. I know it wasn't right to lock them into one team, but I still hate seeing Packer players leave due to salary cap considerations. Hard to build and keep a dynasty these days.
Leatherhead
February 26, 2025 at 10:18 am
Yes. The four man rush has ALWAYS been the Holy Grail. Fearsome Foursome. Purple People Eaters. Sack Exchange. Steel Curtain.
One of our favorites here, Warren Sapp, described their (very good ) defense as "pressure like hell with 4".
Referencing sending 5 or 6, I yield to the findings of the Tuesday Morning Quarterback, Gregg Easterbrook, who clearly showed that blitzes end up being big plays against the defense more often than big plays for the defense.
Stop Me Before I Blitz Again.
Keep rotating fresh, premium athletes on that Dline and cover with everybody else.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 11:07 am
"blitzes end up being big plays against the defense more often than big plays for the defense."
Hence the old adage "live by the blitz, die by the blitz"
PhantomII
February 26, 2025 at 07:18 pm
What about an offense " LIKE OURS " who has 5 OL and ML constantly uses a TE and a RB to pass block so our QB can throw to 1 of 3 WR's....blanketed by 7 defenders. GB defense went from OLB's and 3 DL which is a 5 man line and had pretty good production with the Smiths back in the day. Now our DE's are basically OLB's and the 2-DL stop the run and we have little pass rush. We have an offense and defense issue for both of these reasons....
The fix on defense is better penetrators on DL and Edge.
The fix on offense is better QB1 play and a TON better WR play plus bigger and stronger OL able to have 5 OL hold off 4-Man rush.
murf7777
February 26, 2025 at 10:01 am
I think you're right; it is an outlier. The team that comes to mind is NYG. That said, you won't find many teams who consistently get pressure with 4 like Philly did in the playoffs. It's pretty rare.
Coldworld
February 26, 2025 at 09:29 am
Every team has always had the goal of being able to get to the QB with their front and without blitzing. There is nothing new there at all. If I read anything into Gute’s statements it does seem like we are over wedded to the notion that all DL in particular must be bigger to be durable.
In practice that tends to limit the range of physical talents available and this variety of threat. There is nothing wrong in having specialists to rotate in tactically and much to be gained. We rotate heavily anyway. Having said that, we drafted Wyatt who was and is mostly a penetration threat when healthy. We also had a significant role for Slaton who was primarily the opposite. So the preference could well not be more than a generalization.
It’s interesting that the big lesson all are taking is that the key is getting to the QB with the DL. In reality that could easily be recast as the key is having an OL that does not have obvious weaknesses and doesn’t get pushed back regularly. All the talk here is of rush, but our problem was ultimately our offense and much of that stemmed from being rushed effectively by the Eagles without blitzing. I hope Gute has not lost sight of that.
Last year I was one of the few that wasn’t against the tush push when most were here. I’m actually drifting away from that, simply because it’s made too effective by the rules. Essentially there’s no obvious viable defensive response that I can see because of the limits on what defenders cans do in practice even if they know it’s coming.
It’s not the play in principle, but the balance of the rules that enable it. Some changes need to be made to enable it to be countered if it remains. I would only ban it if identifying means to implement those proves impractical.
It seemed pretty clear that Gute coveted Jefferson (as I did and he should have). Watson was also a player we could have taken in the first round it seems clear but rightly arbitraged just out of the round. I’m not yet seeing many “must have” first round candidates at WR in this draft that fit our needs, so I think the chances are low that we take a first round WR. That could change after the combine of course, but the value fit this year appears to be later.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 09:38 am
Were your ears burning yesterday?
I agree that the O-line is the priority this offseason as it should be every season. What's the point of having everything else if you can't block up front and back those guys up?
PeteK
February 26, 2025 at 11:40 am
Yes, a top C drafted is a must , plus a CB so that coverage sacks could occur more often in 2025 which was a rarity in 2024.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 10:00 am
"He claims it's never been a philosophical thing to not draft a WR in the first round, but rather just the way it shook out. I'd say 22 years is an awful lot of shaking..."
Lets look into this a big more. The last 1st round WR they took was Javon Walker in 2002. While i love the pick, were they wrong to take him? Ed Reed went 4 picks later.
Either way lets look year by year and see why they didn't draft a WR.
2003 - Drafted Nick Barnett with pick 29. Bryant Johnson was drafted 12 spots earlier. The next WR taken was taken with pick 44. Taylor Jacobs.
2004 - Drafted Ahmed Carroll with pick 25. Michael Clayton was taken 10 picks earlier. Michael Jenkins was taken 4 spots after.
2005 - Drafted Aaron Rodgers with pick 24. Mark Clayton was taken 2 picks earlier. Roddy White was taken 4 spots after.
2006 - Drafted AJ Hawk with pick 5. The first WR taken was Santonio Holmes with pick 25.
2007 - Drafted Justin Harrell with pick 16. Ted Ginn was drafted 7 picks earlier. Dwayne Bowe was taken 7 picks later.
2008 - Didn't have a 1st round pick. Drafted Jordy Nelson with the 5th pick of round 2.
2009 - Drafted BJ Raji with pick 9. Darrius Heyward-Bey was taken 2 spots earlier. Michael Crabtree 1 spot after. Also drafted Clay Mathews at pick 26. Hakeem Nicks was the next WR at pick 29.
2010 - Drafted Bryan Bulaga at Pick 23. Demaryius Thomas was taken 1 pick earlier. Dez Bryant 1 pick after.
2011 - Drafted Derek Sherrod with pick 32. Jonathan Baldwin was taken 6 picks earlier. Titus Young was the next WR taken 12 spots later.
2012 - Drafted Nick Perry at pick 28. Kendall Wright was taken 8 picks before. AJ Jenkins was taken 2 spots after.
2013 - Drafted Datone Jones with pick 26. Tavon Austin was drafted 18 picks earlier. DeAndre Hopkins was taken 1 pick after.
2014 - Drafted Ha Ha Clinton-Dix at pick 21. Brandin Cooks was taken 1 pick earlier. Kelvin Benjamin was drafted 7 picks later.
2015 - Drafted Damarious Randall at pick 30. Phillip Dorsett was taken 1 pick earlier. Devin Smith was taken 7 spots later. (preston smith was taken 8 spots later btw).
2016 - Drafted Kenny Clark at pick 27. Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquan Treadwell were taken with hpicks 21,22,23. The next WR was Sterling Shepard 13 picks later.
2017 - Drafted Kevin King with the first pick in round 2. John Ross was drafted with pick 9. The next WR was Zay Jones 4 picks after.
2018 - Drafted Jaire Alexander. DJ Moore was the first WR, and was taken 6 spots after Alexander. Calvin Ridley 2 spots later.
2019 - Drafted Rashan Gary at 12, Darnell Savage at 21 (Andre Dillard was taken at 22 by the Eagles, Josh Jacobs at 24). The first WR taken was Marquise Brown at 25.
2020 - Drafted Jordan Love at Pick 26. Justin Jeffers was taken at 22. Brandon Aiyuk at 25. Tee Higgins was taken at 33, Michael Pittman at 34.
2021 - Drafted Eric Stokes at 29. Rashod Bateman was taken at 27. Elijah Moore was taken at 34.
2022 - Drafted Quay Walker at 22, Devonte Wyatt at 28. Treylon Burks was taken at 18. Packers took Christan Watson at pick 34.
2023 - Drafted LVN at 13. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Quentin Johnston, Zay Flowers, Jordan Addison were taken with picks 20-23.
2024 - Drafted Jordan Morgan at pick 25. Brian Thomas was taken at 23. Xavier Worthy was taken at 28.
How many WR's were a realistic option for the Packers.
Basically until 2011 I don't think they were going to take any WR's based on who they had at WR already.
2013 not taking DeAndre Hopkins was a clear miss.
2014 they maybe targeted Brandin Cooks but he was taken 1 pick earlier.
2015 maybe they targeted Phillip Dorsett but he was taken 1 pick earlier.
2020 would have been interesting. If Justin Jefferson or Aiyuk were on the board. Would they have taken Love or went for those guys. Rumors were they wanted the WR's.
2021 maybe they targeted Rashod Bateman but he was taken 2 spots earlier.
2022 they targeted Watson and tried traded into the first round for him. He was 2 picks outside of the 1st round.
2024 they maybe targeted Brian Thomas but he was taken 2 spots earlier.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 10:16 am
Good list, RC.
Do you know why we didn't have a 1st in 2008? What happened to the 1st in 2017? Us old memories need to know.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 10:26 am
Both years Thompson traded out of the 1st round.
In 2008 they had the 30th pick originally and traded back to 36 where they took Nelson.
With the 30th pick the Jets took Dustin Keller TE. Pick 31 was Kenny Phillips.
In 2017 they had the 29th pick originally. They traded back to pick 33. The Browns took David Njoku with the 29th pick. Steelers took Watt at 30. Saints took Ryan Ramczyk at 32. Packers took Kevin King at 33.
JerseyAl
February 26, 2025 at 01:20 pm
One home run and one strike out.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 02:09 pm
Big time!
Leatherhead
February 26, 2025 at 10:34 am
Because we traded back and took Jordy Nelson at the top of the second.
In 2017, NEW GM Gutekunst was living large. The mob wanted Marcus Davenport, and he was available, but we traded the pick, and moved around and ended up drafting Jaire Alexander instead of Lamar Jackson.
I thought that it would be great to add a super dangerous offensive player to the team, even though we had Rodgers at QB.
It did take me two cups of coffee to recall all that.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 01:24 pm
2018 Guteys First draft) was amazing. He traded back from 14 to 27. Gained an extra first round pick in 2019. Then he traded back up to pick 18 and took Alexander.
Pick 14 was Marcus Davenport.
Pick 15 was Kolton Miller
Pick 16 was Tremaine Edmunds
Pick 17 was Derwin James
Not sure about the Lamar Jackson thought there. They weren't ever going to take him and he went 32.
Leatherhead
February 26, 2025 at 10:30 am
The stuff before he took charge isn't really relevant. When he did take charge, he revamped the WR unit. First, we released Jordy Nelson. We started 2019, under LaFleur, with a receiver unit boasting Adams and a bunch of rookies like Lazard, MVS, ESB, and others . We got to the championship game with that bunch. And he has drafted Day 2 WRs twice in two years, getting Reed and Watson, and also two 4th round guys, Doubs and Wicks.
I think Gutekunst has done a lot with the WR unit since he took over. Obviously, the injury to Watson is a setback. So is the status of Dobbs. And all that butter on the fingers of Reed and Wicks isn't helping.
I am leaning towards drafting Egbuka at #23, and an insurance policy on Doubs on Day 3. As much 3 WR sets as we play, we need a guy who can come in, as a rookie, and add firepower to the offense. I think Egbuka is that guy.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 12:55 pm
I am assuming you are referring to Gutey?
The initial take though is that they haven't drafted a WR in the first round since 2002. So to examine the whole thing we have to put some perspectives together.
Gutey has done a ton of work at the WR position. Especially the last 3 years.
I can definitely see them going WR high this year. With Watson's injury, and Doubs in doubt at least to us, I could see them looking for someone. We need someone that can be reliable and can stretch the field.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 10:33 am
This was a lot of work...thanks RC.
"How many WR's were a realistic option for the Packers.
Basically until 2011 I don't think they were going to take any WR's based on who they had at WR already."
2013 the Packers had Jordy Nelson, James Jones, and Randall Cobb.
2014 Nelson, Cobb, and Adams (rookie)
2015 Cobb, Adams, Jones (brought back after Nelson's preseason injury, so they were anticipating Nelson playing at draft time), and Montgomery (rookie)
I think in each of these cases, the cupboard looked pretty well stocked, so to second guess the plan to bypass WR seems a little much. I'm going to agree that there were definitely things they could've done to help prop up ARod in the 2020s, but he had some pretty good years without that help. Sometimes you ask your all-world QB to elevate the players lined up behind his all-world WR (Adams).
I've usually not been a WR in round 1 guy, simply because it used to be that a WR needed at least a year to get stronger, learn NFL route trees, and develop synergy with his QB. That said, there were six WR (and one TE) who caught more than 50 passes or over 600 yd in 2024. There were 4 1000-yd pass catchers. we've hit the era where playable WR are more plentiful coming out of the draft than ever.
At this stage, I'm more enamored than normal with Egbuka (OSU WRs have been gold in recent years) and even Tetairoa McMillan--whose size and hands might make him a good match with Love--in this draft.
Leatherhead
February 26, 2025 at 10:47 am
We're going to have to start an Egbuka Fan Club.
Do you remember Gregshells Jennings as a rookie? He was a 2nd round pick, he stayed mostly healthy, he got targeted 105 times and caught 45 of them. Not spectacular, no, but if we could get a guy who could give us that much, I'd call it a win. Javon Walker, the last WR we drafted in the first round, only had 23 receptions and 1 TD as a rookie. Romeo Doubs had one of the best rookie seasons for a Packers WR in memory.
So, I'm pro-Egbuka,but I'm also aware that we might not get a very big contribution from a rookie WR, particularly since we don't throw it that much. If Wicks and Reed can't catch, then we don't have that much of a choice. Of all the qualities that we'd want in a WR in this draft, the #1 would be catching.
dobber
February 26, 2025 at 11:03 am
"Do you remember Gregshells Jennings as a rookie? "
You're going to invite Stockholder to bring back "Dropvante" Adams. James Jones was awful, too.
One of the concerns that I have with Egbuka is that he's played mostly out of the slot in college...which means the Packers will need to be creative in how they get him and Reed their snaps AND anyone else who might play as a big slot.
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 01:14 pm
It was a lot of work lol. I wasn't busy though so figured why not. Its easy to throw blanket statements, like they haven't drafted a WR in the first round since 2002. Which is true. But they drafted 2 at the top of the 2nd round. And in a lot of years, a lot of these 1st round WR's really didn't pan out either.
Basically until 2015 they didn't have the need to take a WR in the first round.
From 15-22 they really could have drafted one high.
I think they really failed in the 2016-2021 drafts to get a WR high (not necessarily a 1st rounder). From 2016 - 2021 they drafted 1 WR in the first 3 rounds. That was Amari Rodgers. They drafted 1 4th round WR in that same stretch. J'Mon Moore.
I feel like they really failed the team in that stretch. And its not about 1st round WR's that they failed in. Its that in 6 drafts they came away with 2 WR's in the first 4 rounds. They drafted 25 players in the first 4 rounds in that stretch. And they spent 2 picks on WR's.
For this draft, they need to add someone higher. First 3 rounds for sure. Unless they do go for a Veteran. Either way they may want to draft one, because Watson and Doubs will be entering their final year. Reed and Wicks will have one year left. Also Watson is going to miss significant time. Doubs is in question. Reed and Wicks had major drop issues. They need to add to the room.
GregC
February 26, 2025 at 03:11 pm
That's just it. They've hit on enough good WRs in the second round or later that they have never had a high need to draft one in the first round. Meanwhile, their high round defensive draft picks have not done so hot, so they've needed to try upgrading the defense with most of those first round picks. This year, I think an argument can be made that their WR picks have not panned out, so they should consider going WR in the first round. Reed has been good (not great) as a second round pick, but Watson is hurt, and let's face it: Doubs plays like a fourth rounder and Wicks plays like a fifth rounder.
TKWorldWide
February 26, 2025 at 12:36 pm
Whoa! Deep dive, thank you for the effort!
RCPackerFan
February 26, 2025 at 01:14 pm
It wasn't too bad. I just see the narrative a ton. Thought i'd write something about it.
T7Steve
February 26, 2025 at 01:37 pm
Thanks again.
PhantomII
February 26, 2025 at 07:31 pm
A great example of knowing you need to MOVE UP and get your guy you want at WR.
Rodgers started his career with
1. Donald Driver
2. Greg Jennings
3. James Jones
4. Don Lee (TE)
5. Jordy Nelson
Jordan Love started his career with:
1. Jacobs
2. Kraft (TE)
3. Nobody has made a name for themselves yet......Bag of once dropped balls.
HarryHodag
February 26, 2025 at 10:49 am
Here's what you need to know about nearly every press conference: very little of what is real comes from these events. Gutey, like anyone else whose arse is on the line for saying something out of school, will play it close to the vest. Did you really learn anything new from what he said? I didn't.
The average fan can figure out what is really going on by analyzing where the team came up short: While everyone praised the new defense, the defense let the team down in critical moments. The reason for that is Kenny Clark got paid then sort of retired, the rest of the line played mediocre with an occasional win by R. Gary.
Help is needed there without question.
At linebacker, Cooper looks like the real deal and Walker flashes good play to be replaced by being out of position or hurt.
At corner, relying on Alexander is a mistake. Time for him to go. Stokes isn't the answer. Nixon can take one corner but they clearly need another starting corner. Safety is no longer an issue, but a slot corner/safety has to be determined.
That's the defense. I'm not sure Hafley's defense is as good as all the numbers gurus crow about.
On offense, much of the issue was Love's assortment of injuries. I praise him for playing hurt but I'm not sure he was a help at times and more of a hindrance. His contract forced him on the field but at times he lost his mechanics. Regardless of contract I would open the competition at QB, including drafting one.
The receiving corps took a step back. Watson flashed but again proved injuries were a liability. Reed took a step back as did Doubs. Doubs could be in trouble with concussions. It is clear they need a wide receiver, possibly two. Wicks has dropsy and the rest of the receivers can be good but often are invisible. Most of them are good blockers.
Josh Jacobs is everything you want in a football player, ditto for Tucker Kraft. Musgrave must prove he can stay on the field. Walker at left tackle is highly underrated, starting for two seasons and holding up well. Jenkins is always solid. I wouldn't resign Myers, though it wouldn't surprise me if they did. Rhyan is adequate at right guard and Zach Tom could be an All-Pro at right tackle.
While people scorn the offense, to me it was the defense that left the team in a lurch this past season.
They need to resign McManus as a top priority, even for ridiculous money. Just keep in mind Anxious Carlson and Nervous Narveson.
Special teams really sucked at times. The touchdown by the Bears on the punt fake should have ended Rich Bi. time in Green Bay. For some reason they keep him around.
2025 will be the make or break year. If they can't beat the Lions, Vikings and Bears to begin with then its time to clean house and start over.
Leatherhead
February 26, 2025 at 10:59 am
"""The touchdown by the Bears on the punt fake should have ended Rich Bi. time in Green Bay. For some reason they keep him around."""
If ONLY there was some way to prevent stuff like that from happening. Maybe we could get 11 special teams demons playing with their hair on fire. Maybe we could get the most awesomest coach who was so content in Green Bay that he wouldn't accept promotions from other teams.
Of course, if it was me, I'd just punt the ball so it lands out of bounds, and never, ever have to worry about a fake return.
HarryHodag
February 27, 2025 at 06:45 am
I had suggested that if I was a special teams coach I would indeed have my punter kick the ball out of bounds. No return.
That fake by the Bears is something that high school teams have a hard time doing yet paid professionals had a lapse that is unforgivable. Rich B. was the guy who wanted to keep Anxious Carlson, etc. Rich B. was given the interim head coaching job for the Raiders then they picked someone else.
MLF tends to be loyal but loyalty can get you fired.
BamaPackFan
February 26, 2025 at 02:13 pm
Just remember, the Lions, Bears, and to some extent, the Vikings have been drafting early in the rounds for many years. The law of averages caught up and they finally hit on some good players. It is hard to be consistently playoff caliber when you are almost always drafting late in the rounds. Kudos to the Lions in particular. They started adding Bama Boys and they got very good.
LambeauPlain
February 26, 2025 at 04:50 pm
Al, regarding Gutey's comment about Van Ness's potential is still high, you wrote: "That's great to hear, and you know he has the physical traits they look for, so what's holding him back?"
Gutey gave the answer...nothing is holding him back...but a short leash:
"I expect him to take a big jump this year".
Hercules better Capture the Cretan Bull in 2025.
Turophile
February 26, 2025 at 07:47 pm
You get what you emphasise. That holds true whether you are talking about what you emphasise in training camp or what positions you emphasise in the draft. If you keep on spending high draft capital on the D line and edges, you should improve your 4 man rush, but equally, you will weaken other positions that you have de-emphasised in favour of pass rushers.
Catching lightning in a bottle, like assembling a fearsome pass rush without expending loads draft capital, is exceptionally difficult. Even more so, if you are routinely drafting in the 20's. Being always too late to draft the Buckner's or Bosa's of the world, Gute has gambled on raw players with top-tier athleticism, hoping that those natural gifts will allow the player to be great with more coaching.
That policy hasn't exactly failed, but it hasn't worked out that well yet, either. Maybe it is time to pay the big bucks for an elite vet there, to make a stronger SB push for two or three years.
Just for comparison, the 49ers have emphasised first round defensive front 7 players for ages. It got them boom players like Buckner and Bosa, and solid guys like Armstead........but also busts like Javon Kinlaw, Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster, not to mention disappointing but not awful guys, like Aldon Smith. See what I mean about it being hard to get it right.
Alberta_Packer
February 26, 2025 at 08:09 pm
Not to long ago - while rummaging through some old electronical devices at a garage sale - I came across what looked like a vintage typewriter. Fast forward some weeks later - I discovered that I had actually purchased the Enigma machine - that still worked - for $5 !!! Of course I inputed Gutey's Combine comments into the Enigma - which it de-ciphered into this single line - " At 23 - Josh Conerly Jr.""
Turophile
February 26, 2025 at 08:19 pm
You should have put a little lemon juice on the text to reveal a secret second line
................"unless WR Egbuka or DL Nolan are there."
Alberta_Packer
February 26, 2025 at 10:02 pm
The Enigma runs on electricity. I think that - technically - electricity can be produced from citric acid. However, I would then have no lemons for my lemon drop martinis.
Since'75
March 02, 2025 at 08:48 am
They haven't drafted a receiver in the first round because Gute was fixated on drafting Love in 2020, as early as the fall of 2019.
The 2020 draft was rich in NFL wide receiver talent. We had just came up 1 game short of going to the SB.
So instead of Gute drafting a receiver in the 1st round, he drafted a QB for the future to sit on the bench for 3 years.
Not sure why naming who is against the 'Tush-Push' is off limits.....Really Al?
Is it that much of a secret?....lol
Is it a matter of National Security?
If it wasn't Murphy (as reported), i'm guessing it has to be MLF.
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My feeling is, whoever is against the Tush Push are teams that simply can't stop it.
In that line of thinking..... should the NFL have banned the Bears from playing the Packers with Rodgers, because they just couldn't beat them?