Around the NFC North: More OTA Whispers

Offensive linemen catching passes. Lions players retiring. Can it get crazier??

I'm sure you've all heard the big news of the week. That Bears practice got extra whacky with offensive linemen catching passes. Oh, that's not it? Must not be NFC North related then! Let's hit it. 

Bears

  • The offensive linemen stuff would be a joke with most teams, but Ben Johnson is known for weird trick plays and pissing away playoff chances with them. He said that in OTA practice three they were evaluating which offensive linemen and quarterbacks could catch and which skill players could throw. 
  • Caleb Williams has reportedly progressed in his second off-season, this one under the ultra-detailed Ben Johnson, but reporters have noted a few cross-body throws that turned into picks. You expect picks in the pre-season as players try things but that type of risk-taking is endemic to his game. 
  • Ben Johnson singled out rookie RB Kyle Monangai as a top player thus far. As we've mentioned thousands of times at this point, DeAndre Swift (or Deandre Slow as some call him) is a subpar starting RB and Monangai, the team's seventh-round pick, may have a legitimate chance to replace him. Of course, the 5'8" RB fell to the seventh for a reason and the story may change once the practice goes full contact..

Lions

  • The biggest news out of Lions camp is that all-pro center Frank Ragnow retired after seven seasons. Ragnow was a huge part of the team's, and specifically Jared Goff's, success over the past few years.Ragnow was not only a plus player but he was in charge of the protection calls that kept Jared Goff clean much of the time. There were some rumblings that Ragnow retired as part of contract negotiations and maybe would come back, but Dan Campbell denied those rumors. 
  • Rookie guard Tate Ratledge was first in at center to replace Ragnow. Ratledge was a career guard in college and you have to wonder if the Lions are already making plans to acquire a new center. Our old friend Josh Myers may be available - he signed a one-year contract worth just $2mm ($3mm with incentives) with the Jets to be a back-up. You'd have to think they'd flip him for a fifth or something. If they don't make a move, they're ina  really rough spot on the interior o-line. They could potentially have a rookie playing out of position at center, Graham Glasgow, who is old and also bad, at one guard and Christian Mahogany, who has played 65 career snaps, at the other guard. Glasgow could play center but that wouldn't magically make him good. 
  •  Unsurprisingly, the defense has outplayed the offense in OTAs so far. The defense does have more returning players and probably more scheme crossover but a poor o-line could spell a poor offense for the Lions this year. 

Vikings

  • On the Vikings' side of things, a shiny and new interior offensive line has been a highlight of OTAs. Led by free agent acquisition Ryan Kelly. 
  • Another interesting focus for the Vikings so far is Jeff Okudah. The former top-10 pick for the Lions played for Jeff Hafley at Ohio State and has been a bust in the NFL. It's possible playing for Matt Patricia and the Lions gave him the yips or something and the Vikings are playing him a ton with the 1s to find out. 
  • Obviously, JJ McCarthy has to have some notes. It's hard to tell how he's really doing as you'll see some reporters saying he's hot and cold and others saying that he seems to already have chemistry with Justin Jefferson. The McVay tree tends to not play their starting QBs in the pre-season but McCarthy is probably going to have to.  

 

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Leatherhead's picture

June 06, 2025 at 10:01 am

You could look at the Lions situation on the offensive line and see problems ahead. Guys with big contracts on the bad side of 30 (Taylor Decker, 32 years old, $32M cap hit) . Glasgow, at 33,earns about $7.5M. Ragnow, now retired, was 29 and earning over $13M/season.

Add this to the departure of the offensive coordinator. Detroit has their fair share of problems. This is no juggernaut. The Bears and the tackle eligible stuff.....why? That's really your best bet to get it into the end zone? The Bears should be able to score without trickery. It's probably just fun and games at this point....real stuff doesn't happen for a long time yet.

JJMcCarthy and the Vikings:

Door I: McCarthy is brilliant, wins ROY and does for Minnesota what Jayden Daniels did for Washington.
Door II: McCarthy looks like a guy who hasn't played football in a while and misses time with injury.
Door III: McCarthy isn't a complete disaster, he plays well, the Vikings get some breaks, and they're an 8 or 9 win team.

I think there is a real possibility they'll finish last in the division.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 06, 2025 at 12:18 pm

The Lions also lost their starting RG (Kevin Zeitler) to the Titans. So their entire interior offensive line has to be re-worked or pieced-backed together. For a timing QB like Goff this could be problematic.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 06, 2025 at 12:53 pm

They've drafted three athletic IOL and a T in the last two years. It might take them awhile to settle in but they've prepared for the transition.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 06, 2025 at 01:05 pm

They may be fine down the road. However for this year their interior is a work-in-progress - which QBs usually don't enjoy.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 06, 2025 at 01:53 pm

Apparently the Lions beat writers think all three youngsters might start while Glasgow is iOL backup. Glasgow had a down year but he has played over 1500 snaps at C in his NFL career so I doubt Ratledge beats him out but Cooper Beebe never played center in college and played over 1000 snaps there last year for the Cowboys. He finished with higher pass and run grades than Myers as a rookie so it's possible. Either way you draft OL in the 2nd round to start. Most teams do anyway. I don't think there will be much drop off from Zeitler to Ratledge but you never know.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 06, 2025 at 04:32 pm

So, Clark and Wyatt gonna feast on a soft interior or not?

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Leatherhead's picture

June 06, 2025 at 04:35 pm

Let's just say that the interior of the Lions Oline is probably less formidable than the one they've had the last couple of years.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 07, 2025 at 08:03 am

Mahogany started a game for them last year and played well. He was a high RAS kid from BC I was hoping the Packers were interested in, especially when he slid to the 6th round but they don't draft guards. Ratledge was one of the top 2-3 guards in the draft. Maybe they struggle early but I doubt they get steamrolled.

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GregC's picture

June 06, 2025 at 10:07 am

Caleb Williams threw six interceptions last year. He threw five in each of his two seasons with USC and four in his one season at Oklahoma. I wouldn't say that risk is endemic to his game. It's the opposite. He holds onto the ball too long and takes sacks.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 06, 2025 at 10:31 am

Like all good runners, his instinct is to run. These guys like Manning....they'll just stand there and throw it away if they have to....I don't think Williams is wired like that. If you hold him in a pocket, he's going to hold the ball.

NFC North QB rankings: Goff-Love-Williams-McCarthy.

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Cheezehead72's picture

June 06, 2025 at 11:46 am

I agree but running also goes with his mentality that he has to carry the team. QBs like him learn that in time it just takes some QBs more time to depend on the other players.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 06, 2025 at 12:24 pm

I can see Goff taking a step back this year - with the loss of Ben Johnson and a weakened O-line. At the same time - I can see Love taking a step forward - with better health, a stronger interior O-line and more weapons.

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Bitternotsour's picture

June 07, 2025 at 09:21 am

the issue is he has no internal time clock. he plays like he's at USC.

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13TimeChamps's picture

June 06, 2025 at 10:45 am

I can't help but have visions of Josh McDaniels floating around in my head whenever I see or hear people raving about Ben Johnson, the shiny new young offensive genius wunderkind that everyone is enamored with.

That year-and-a-half flame-out in Denver wasn't a pretty site.

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TKWorldWide's picture

June 06, 2025 at 04:34 pm

Hard to predict, but the difference from OC to HC has gotta be immense.

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Cheezehead72's picture

June 06, 2025 at 11:54 am

This division will be interesting just for the fact that these three teams have had some major changes.

The Lions will not be as good as last year. They can still win the division but they will not win as many games.

The Vikings probably will not win the division but with McCarthy starting they will not win as many games. I believe McCarthy might have been the second best QB drafted last year and I said that before the draft. It will just take him some time. So to say he has built chemistry with JJ is interesting because all you need to do is throw the ball in the same zip code as JJ and he will catch it.

The Bears will probably be in last again this year. They might win more games but not many more. I am not convinced Williams will ever be a good QB. This year they must see improvement with all of the weapons he has, the new HC, and a better OL. The one thing I hated seeing was the selecting Loveland. I wanted to watch Loveland play and expected him to be a very good TE but now that he is a Bear I do not want to see that.

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Bitternotsour's picture

June 06, 2025 at 02:19 pm

Why would you think McCarthy is better than Bo Nix?

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LambeauPlain's picture

June 06, 2025 at 12:17 pm

At least the article did not discuss a certain 41 year old QB/GM playing for the Ugly Purple.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

June 06, 2025 at 12:37 pm

He's already 41? This guy needs some after-work interests or an enjoyable hobby.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 06, 2025 at 01:58 pm

I'd have the Packers and Vikings reversed on this list but they I can see the national writers wanting to see more of the young guys prove out before raising them on the roster rankings.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2025-roster-rankings-strengths-weaknesses-x...

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Bearmeat's picture

June 06, 2025 at 02:18 pm

PFF is garbage. Everything with grades is complete padding. Our pass protection last year was not the “strength of the team.” The Packers roster is not worse than the Bucs, or the Broncos, or frankly, the Chiefs. The Vikings roster is quite a bit better than the Lions. The Lions OL is not the strength of their team, especially now that Ragnow is gone.

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Leatherhead's picture

June 06, 2025 at 04:41 pm

Thank you for saying that. I'm not going to say 'garbage', but their rankings don't seem to match up with reality sometimes.

At the end of the day, it's their subjective opinion.

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LLCHESTY's picture

June 07, 2025 at 07:58 am

Did you know that many teams subscribe to their paid service? I don't think their grading is as good as it was a few years ago before people started leaving for other jobs but they still do a good job of sorting out the really good and really bad. Jacobs, Tom, Cooper and McKinney had their highest grades last year Shocking right? Myers and LVN had the lowest. Equally shocking.

Definitely wouldn't agree the Vikings roster is better than the Lions. Lions had 6 All Pros(including punter) while the Vikings had 3(including long snapper) and one bothe head to head matchups with the coaching being equal or slight Edge to the Vikings.

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Bearmeat's picture

June 06, 2025 at 02:19 pm

It will be fun watching JJ be a rookie and the Vikings struggling. It will be fun watching Goff revert to bad-Jared with pressure in his face. It will be fun watching the Bears annual offseason championship blow up in their faces with a pouty QB and surly HC.

Green Bay is going to surprise a lot of people this year. I think they win the division clean. GB, DET, MIN, CHI.

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Bitternotsour's picture

June 06, 2025 at 02:22 pm

I am with you on everything save Goff. That guy can play, he's just stuck on a team with loser DNA.

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