Confessions of a Polluted Mindset - Hurt
The Weekly Packers Brain Drain from Jersey Al.
By JerseyAl

Post game Friday night, the song Hurt" by Nine Inch Nails (later covered amazingly by Johnny Cash), came to mind. It starts out with the line, "I hurt myself today..." and ends with "If I could start again, a million miles away, I would keep myself, I would find a way."
It's so appropriate, I'd laugh if I wasn't crying...
IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, but the Packers hurt themselves mightily last Friday Night, and I'm not even referring to Jordan Love's MCL. So many mistakes and poor decision making, both from the players and coaching staff. In addition, perhaps the most disturbing thing about the game was the lack of positive impact many of the "star' or more experienced players had on the game. Jordan Love, Kenny Clark, Rashan Gary, Jaire Alexander, all with large contracts did not play representative to the investment in those players. Jeff Hafley's defense did not play much differently than Barry's defense of last year, nor did they tackle better. Matt LaFleur's red zone play choices were questionable and he took an extra point off the board to try for two - why? Especially if you think a straight handoff into the heart of the big Philly offensive line would be the answer?
Now, five days after the game, these topics have been talked about ad nauseum, so I won't belabor them here, but boy do the Packers wish they could start again, a million miles away, where they would keep themselves and find a way to play better (and smarter) football.
What are all these mistakes I'm referring to? Well thanks to Andy Herman for saving me the trouble of listing 29 of them.
Finished the rewatch - just a couple mistakes to note:
1. False start (late snap by Josh Myers)
2. 12-men on field, negating TD
3. False start on 4th down - had to punt instead of go
4. Missed protection on Z. Baun sack
5. Holding - Rasheed Walker - in red zone
6. Wicks drop
7.…— Andy Herman (@AndyHermanNFL) September 7, 2024
Again, IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, but the offensive line struggled as a unit. The pocket was frequently collapsing on Jordan Love and frankly, causing him to look a bit skittish back there. Not being able to step up led to some bad habits, such as forcing throws that shouldn't have been made and throwing off his back foot too frequently. We know he has the ability to do that, but it shouldn't be the norm. The interior line has to do a better job keeping defensive linemen out of Jordan Love's face.
Speaking of Love, am I the only one that would like to see some designed rollouts be called for him? Or move the pocket, perhaps? Anything where the opposing rushers don't know exactly where to find Love on every pass play. Supposedly, Love worked with his personal coach during offseason and with Tom Clements in training camp on his mechanics when throwing on the run, You saw the results on his 70 yard TD pass to Jayden Reed, where he hit Reed in stride while on the run himself. Let's make moving Love around at least a small part of the game plan.
While I expect a speedier than normal MCL recovery from Jordan Love's "silly body," (and there are some hints about that possibility from the Packers), Malik Willis is very likely the quarterback Sunday against the Colts. What's your confidence level that he can direct the offense efficiently with only a couple of weeks with the Packers? I'd rate mine low to medium-low. One thing that's holding me back is that I watched the Titans - Bears game and what was seen was an awful performance from Will Levis. If Willis couldn't beat him out and not even beat out Willis's backup, that doesn't give me a lot of confidence. However, if you want to see some in-depth analysis of Willis, take a look at this video from a name you'll know, Dusty Evely. He breaks down every pass attempt from WIllis in preseason with the Titans:
If you want a scheme breakdown of the game Jeff Hafley called, this is covered wonderfully in this article by Daire Carragher of Packer Report. Quick takeaways: IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, but Hafley called Cover 1 on only 19 of 76 defensive snaps, fewer than we might have expected. He also blitzed 24% of the time, below the 33% Joe Barry averaged last season.
Hey, the Packers beat the odds in one way Friday night! Since 2016, teams with a +2 turnover differential in a game have won over 83% of the time. Packers joined the 17% team.
IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, but I already miss Carrington Valentine. Eric Stokes just seems too passive for my liking. I love Valentine's fiery and physical demeanor. Stokes is like the superior athlete that doesn't want to get his Jersey dirty. Valentine is the scrappy, tough little guy whose Jersey is covered in dirt, grass and blood stains.
NFL kickers went a combined 21 of 23 on field goals over 50 yards and over in Week one. One of the kickers who missed, Cade York of the Commanders, got cut the next day. Being able to hit from 50+ is now the standard for NFL kickers. Do the Packers have a kicker that meets that standard? We don't know at this point, but I'd settle for improved consistency over long distance kicks right now.
Being curious in what the Packers have or don't have in Sean Rhyan, I focused on him as I rewatched the game. Coming out of college, while he had decent athleticism, I felt like power was the former burly shot putter's forte. He tested well at the combine, with an 8.17 RAS, which kept him on the Packers radar, for sure. After watching all his snaps, and again, IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, I'd say that power is indeed, his forte. When one of the Eagles' DL tried to go right through him, he mostly held his ground and neutralized the defender, even muscling Jalen Carter to the ground a few times. When the DL's used avoidance tactics, like swim moves, for example, Rhyan was sometimes left watching his man's back as he rushed into the backfield. On the move on zone runs he struggled to sustain blocks. Pulling on power scheme runs, he was effective with his one-on-one block (See my example in yesterday's "3 Plays..." post). I was looking for some confirmation if my impressions were correct, so I checked with PFF, purely because they break down run blocking by zone or power scheme. I never put full faith into their rankings, but in this case I feel it's pretty safe. Their zone run blocking rating for Rhyan was a terrible 32.4, while the power run blocking rating was an excellent 87.4. That's a huge disparity, much greater than I would have imagined, but I think it does confirm my thoughts. While Rhyan has enough athleticism for zone, his technique in that scheme is inconsistent at best. When he's matched up one-on-one with a defender, whether across the line from him or at the end of a pull, he gets the job done.
Early in the first quarter, it became obvious how this game was being officiated so I tweeted this:
refs looking to be the stars of the show today...
— Jersey Al - GBP (@JerseyAlGBP) September 7, 2024
In the end, there were 17 accepted penalties (10 on the Packers) but more that were declined, as well. What an embarrassment, putting that notorious referee crew on full display for their international showcase audience. Yes, you could call a penalty on every play, but that doesn't mean you need to. Especially in cases where the infraction had no significance, LET THEM PLAY.
Oh, and in case you forgot, remember, IT'S ONLY ONE GAME.
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"Jersey Al" Bracco is the Editor-In-Chief, part owner and wearer of various hats for CheeseheadTV.com and PackersTalk.com. He's a lifetime Packers fan living in the land of the Giants (and Jets). Follow Al on twitter at @JerseyalGBP.
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Comments (80)
Razer
September 11, 2024 at 06:53 am
Not sure what to think about these Packers. We have enough offensive weapons to get the job done but both Lines are very average. We value fast upright players but where is the beef when it comes to collapsing the other guy's pocket or making a hole. Hurts didn't seem to have much trouble getting through his reads and Barkley definitely didn't have trouble finding a hole. We are not strong in the trenches and it shows. Coaching staff will spend the rest of the year scheming around foundational issues.
Mister Chievous
September 11, 2024 at 12:50 pm
there is no "very average". either you are average or you are something else
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 03:18 pm
But which kind of average am I? Or is that a mean question?
dblbogey
September 11, 2024 at 03:25 pm
Mom said i was "special". Looking back, I don't think it was a compliment.
jlc1
September 11, 2024 at 03:49 pm
Tha Pack may have missed their opportunities but not Coldworld. Nice one!
dblbogey
September 11, 2024 at 03:26 pm
Will that be on the test?
dblbogey
September 11, 2024 at 03:24 pm
We're strong at RT and LG. We'll have to see if Walker improves or takes a step back. Center is weak. I think RG will improve with Morgan. I hope they quit rotating him with Rhyan, if Morgan is clearly as good or better. He has a much higher ceiling, but whoever is making the OL decisions has made puzzling moves in the past. I wonder if Rhyan would be an upgrade at Center? I watch the real good teams, like SF against the Jets, and they have dominant lines and an all pro or 2 on each side of the ball. We don't seem to have those things. It's time to go heavy on the big guys in the draft, and pick up a quality free agent. Still hoping for the best, and looking forward to seeing E. Cooper play more at LB. He is a fast man.
packerbackerjim
September 11, 2024 at 06:56 am
As MM often said, lots to clean up, pad level, …. The OL will be the critical factor in how far GB goes this season. I believe the OL will coalesce. Same for the defense. I was hoping for so much more than what I saw. Some of that was the field condition, some of it was rust, and some it was stupid penalties. MLF and Clements have a huge opportunity to show their coaching ability in getting Willis up to par. I’m eager to see how GB responds this Sunday.
TKWorldWide
September 11, 2024 at 07:03 am
A great way to derail any offense is crappy line play. Check.
A great way to derail any defense is crappy tackling. Check.
Can these two items be remedied? “Probably” for the first, and “hopefully” for the second.
Regardless, GPG!
Cheezehead72
September 11, 2024 at 07:05 am
Not much to add. I still stand by my philosophy that you will see more stupid mistakes that you do not expect professionals to make when you limit their preseasons snaps. The offensive line could have been helped by more reps together. At least that might have helped the coaches determine the best mix. Coach scared and increase your chances of losing. Coach to win.
On Sunday MLF needs to give Willis three plays to start the game. Each one would have a run or pass option. If they load up the box which they probably will do go with a deep pass or at least something past the LBs. The Colts will be playing the run. Time to go all in with a bad hand and catch them off guard. At least that should make the defense back up and then we can start running the ball.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 07:29 am
The Colts have a QB who is probably the nearest analogy to Willis. He’s Hurts with less pocket acumen and less experience. It will be a team that has practiced against a Willis type all summer. LaFleur is going to have to be more creative as a result. He’s also going to have to find ways to help the OL open holes for the runners. Relying on the pass to do so won’t fly this week. That could and probably should lead to some interesting personnel variations designed to confuse a team which is well acquainted with the QB proposition we are rolling out for the first time.
Cheezehead72
September 11, 2024 at 07:48 am
I agree. The big difference between Hurts and Richardson is that Hurts is stronger and harder to bring down.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:03 am
Richardson goes 6-4, 240+ and Hurts goes about 6-1, 220...Richardson is timed faster, too, at 4.44 v. 4.59.
At this stage, Hurts plays from the pocket far more effectively than Richardson does...and it might be doing the Packers a favor by putting these two QBs back-to-back. The defensive game plan is likely not very different.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 08:49 am
Which is why Willis was so intriguing to many. He was timed at 4.37 as a sophomore and is about the same size and weight as Hurts. At the senior bowl he was clocked at 20.78 mph. That’s about the equivalent of a 4.40.
He didn’t run the 40 before the draft, but a 4.40 would be the second fastest ever run at the combine (behind Michael Vick’s 4.33). For a comparative, MarShawn Lloyd, the fastest Packers RB ran a 4.46. Justin Fields ran a 4.44 at his pro day. Add to that the fact that Willis runs like a RB, with stiff arms and the ability to juke and you see why he managed 29 rushing TDs in college and 5.4 yards per attempt.
I’ve never been a fan of the dual threat college QB type as potential starters for reasons of durability and the improbability of ever becoming elite in the pocket while age and impacts degrade mobility. I thought the Colts reached hugely for an athlete not a QB. However, as a back up the possibilities Willis offers LaFleur are interesting as those that caused the Colts to take Richardson, whom I’d argue is not much better as a true QB at this point (and only marginally more experienced). Willis’ physical talents are a huge opportunity for LaFleur to win this battle of raw dual threat QBs through a superior game plan and calling.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 07:11 am
I thought Stokes had a pretty good game. He only gave up 2 receptions for not much. The other side of the Field was the problem, despite the interception.
I suspect that some of the defensive observations are more to do with the game plan for a Hurts led O. Contain not blitz. It worked in some ways but not overall. Had the O had the ability to convert in the red zone, it probably allows us to come away with a victory.
As to your comments on preparedness, attitude, effort and weaknesses. These are recurring themes under LaFleur. The OL issues are nothing new and nor was the weakest link, but the coaching staff have refused to address that and the emphases don’t seem to have evolved. To win, we need to improve: LaFleur needs to improve. Quite possibly, if this continues, that will mean moving on from Stenavich/Butkus. It’s time for LaFleur to challenge them.
It was game one on a surface that was an issue for both teams, regardless of whether it should have been. This week we face a very similar QB on home turf. Let’s see if that and whatever goes on this week makes a difference. Let’s also see if we get a game plan for Willis that’s obviously tailored to get the most from him. We and he will need that. Let’s also see if good play is rewarded by more opportunities.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:05 am
"I suspect that some of the defensive observations are more to do with the game plan for a Hurts led O. Contain not blitz"
I think this is about right. They'll probably use the same game plan this week against Richardson, who doesn't have nearly the supporting cast Hurts does.
Duhawk_47
September 11, 2024 at 05:30 pm
Regarding the recurring themes under LaFleur, I started paying more attention to the "physicality eye test", during the 2020-2021 seasons as I had more time to sit around and watch ball. I haven't seen a LaFleur team pass that test very often.
Someone else referenced the Jets @ 49er's game...now that is an Offensive line (SF) that passes the eye test.
Bitternotsour
September 11, 2024 at 06:47 pm
and yet since LaFleur took over, the Packers have won 56 regular season games compared to SF's 55 games. I think Shanahan is a better coach, but they have exactly the same number of super bowl victories between them.
it's hard to win the super bowl.
NickPerry
September 11, 2024 at 07:12 am
Like Al said, "It's only one game". It's also the FIRST game after playing a whooping 3 snaps in the preseason. It's one of those games I was going to discard, call it the blues of week one, and move on to the Colts. But with just seconds left Love gets injured. Now the blues I was experiencing after week one became MUCH more.
Hafley's defense was disappointing but I'm not totally freaked out, not yet. Again, week one against a damn good offense. But for the love of God please get Cooper on the field more, especially for McDuffie. When Cooper was on the field he made plays. As nice of a story McDuffie is, he's not a quality starter. But as Al alluded to, Clark, Gary, Alexander, and others who are making the big bucks NEED to step up.
The O-Line was what I expected. If Josh Meyers is your center you'll probably have some problems and the Packers do. The run blocking was pretty bad for the most part. One thing I loved about Ted Thompson is he could find an O-Lineman who could do BOTH, run AND pass block. Right now it feels like the Packers only have two O-Linemen who can run block down to down. Jenkins and Zack Tom. Man I miss the days of Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, and Bakhtiari. The best of BOTH worlds. The O-Line NEEDS to step up big time this week. Willis and Jacobs BOTH need big games running the ball.
Lastly I've defended the hell out of Gute but the way he handled the backup QB spot this year is/was a disaster. I mean really, Malik Willis is your #2 QB? You really went into the season with a guy being your #2 when he's been here a week and a half? This is negligence at it's finest. I can't help but wonder if it will be like watching Jerry Tagge or Scott Hunter TRY to play QB in the 70's only Willis can run.
Run Malik Run!
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 07:22 am
I’m really intrigued by the unsought after prospect of Willis. Raw physical talent with a ton of questions and a supposed premier offensive mind as Head Coach. This is an opportunity for LaFleur to really show what he can do to help his team when it needs the Coach to find a way to make more from less. This should be a very different game plan. It has to be.
Cheezehead72
September 11, 2024 at 07:55 am
I do not totally disagree with your disapproval of Gute and the #2 QB situation but you also have to remember that the Packers had salary cap issues that tied his hands. The only QBs we could afford were about as good as Willis but probably would cost more. He could have drafted a QB sooner and we will never know if they planned to and the one they wanted was gone. He did realize he had to do something and he went out and got a QB that can run MLFs system that has starting experience and is on his rookie contract for 2 years.
Let's just hope he does not play like #2.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:07 am
I think they upgraded the talent on the QB depth chart by acquiring Willis. He's a QB with some elite traits. I would rather roll with the traitsy QB than with the under talented QB.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:55 am
" But for the love of God please get Cooper on the field more, especially for McDuffie. When Cooper was on the field he made plays. As nice of a story McDuffie is, he's not a quality starter."
McDuffie is a try-hard, run-down MLB...and the depth chart says he's playing on the strong side. He does what he can, but he's a liability on passing downs. For now, they need to go to a big-nickel/hybrid S type system. Maybe that's Evan Williams...maybe it's Oladapo. But it takes Wilson and McDuffie off the field, and gets Cooper more time.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 09:32 am
Could possibly Hopper too?
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 09:42 am
Wouldn't argue with that.
RCPackerFan
September 11, 2024 at 11:20 am
"Lastly I've defended the hell out of Gute but the way he handled the backup QB spot this year is/was a disaster. I mean really, Malik Willis is your #2 QB? You really went into the season with a guy being your #2 when he's been here a week and a half?"
I actually am on the other side of this. I feel like he did the right thing. He could have very easily stuck with Clifford or Pratt. They recognized that they weren't good enough so they went out and found a guy that they think could be really good not only now but in the future.
He could have also went out and got a Ryan Tannehill or some other vet that was out there. But would they be any better off with Tannehill then they are with Willis? No I don't believe so. The only thing I will say I could fault Gutey for is not going out in the offseason and getting some sort of vet rather then trusting Clifford/Pratt.
What i like about them getting Willis is that they went out and got a guy who is mobile and could impact the game with his legs. He has a very strong arm too, so he can make any plays that he needs too. To me this was a good trade. its just unfortunate that he has play so soon.
NickPerry
September 12, 2024 at 05:46 am
He's had 3 career starts and failed to reach 100 yards passing in any of them so YES, they would have better off with Tannehill. Who cares if he has a strong arm when he can't hit the side of a barn?
Like I said...Run Malik Run...
dblbogey
September 11, 2024 at 03:34 pm
The mention of Jerry Tagge gave me a stomach ache and made me depressed.
T7Steve
September 11, 2024 at 07:17 am
Maybe while they're still trying to configure the O-line it's safer to play Willis than get QB1 slaughtered. Actually. kidding aside, it seems this slow start is more the norm now. I hope it doesn't extend as long as last season because there's no inexperience excuse to use now. They only can use the "they're just youngsters" thing.
Still not happy with the same expressions of missed-coaching opportunities as explained by MLF after the game. How many seasons is he going to let himself be outcoached, if that's actually what he believes and he isn't just grasping at straws or trying to deflect criticism or protecting other people.
stockholder
September 11, 2024 at 07:20 am
Expectations are too high.
From last years Progress to the Playoffs.
Turn - over does not guarantee success.
And now that Love is hurt .
Confidence is Low.
The list of Lunch pail guys is short.
And when you install a New Defense.
Progress must be the answer,
At least until someone leads the Pack.
There is No place like Home,
Hopefully the mess gets cleaned up.
Packerpasty
September 11, 2024 at 09:21 am
three automatic "thumbs down" just because of who you are I guess....childish people...I see nothing wrong with these comments...
JerseyAl
September 11, 2024 at 11:57 am
One of your more reasonable poems. I gave you a thumbs up.
Bitternotsour
September 11, 2024 at 01:58 pm
I don't know Al, the atmosphere was probably above average, but the rhythm was stilted and for me, the lack of rhyming couplets really killed the vibe.
jannesbjornson
September 11, 2024 at 03:20 pm
Get Cooper and Hopper on the field and let Williams have some reps next to McKinney to see how he plays to the ball. Some Mycah Hyde in his playing style. Let Bullard stay in the box. Nixon can be the dime and I agree with Al,
get Valentine on the perimeter. There's no point in following the same formula with some of these "veterans."
Duhawk_47
September 11, 2024 at 05:45 pm
I'd love to see your list of lunch pail guys. Pending a working definition, here's mine...open to criticism:
Reed, Heath, Bullard, Valentine, Nixon, McKinney, Williams, Tom, Gary, McDuffie, Jenkins, Kraft, Doubs
There are some guys that likely deserve to be listed who have either not been on the roster long enough or seen enough reps to judge from outside of the building.
PackEyedOptimist
September 11, 2024 at 07:30 am
Back off the ledge everyone.
PFF ranks Philadelphia's offensive line as #2 in the NFL. (Detroit is #1)
PFF ranks Philadelphia's defensive line as #3 in the NFL.
The opponent MATTERS. Our best guys were against THEIR best guys, and theirs are rated higher. We'll do better against most teams.
My biggest disappointment was the dropped passes; if Wicks @ co. get back to strong, aggressive catching, we'll be fine.
T7Steve
September 11, 2024 at 07:54 am
We've tended to make very pedestrian QBs look great in the past too. Are they that good or did we make them look that good? When do you think we should start to worry about being manhandled? Playoffs, when all the teams are at the top of the lists?
I think the D-line did their best job yet containing a QB that has run them to death in the past. A little more from the LBs, who showed they're playing in a new D, and the front will be fine. That will also improve the back end immensely.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:15 am
Well-stated PEO. There's a fair amount of carry-over on the Philly roster from the SB team of two years ago. They're built from the trenches out and they bully teams. This is not a weak opponent...they'll be in the playoffs.
...and for all our complaining, the Packers were in this game until the final possession.
Indy isn't in the same conversation as Philly.
bjkdad44
September 12, 2024 at 07:36 am
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
PeteK
September 11, 2024 at 09:37 am
Add to that a RB that was great with a weak Giant's O line.
We will get better, and even with a weakish performance were in a close game.
Thegreatreynoldo
September 13, 2024 at 02:29 pm
If you know that, then I assume you know that PFF ranks INDY's offensive line as the third-best in the NFL.
LeotisHarris
September 13, 2024 at 02:55 pm
Speaking of PFF, there's been a mass exodus of talent recently. The interwebz reports the departures are significant for a small company of fewer that 250 people.
“Everyone’s fucking leaving because people no longer believe in the leaders of the company,” said one. Upon clarification, the source clarified that Chahrouri was one of those leaders. The other two were Cris Collinsworth, the CEO, and his son, Austin Collinsworth – the Chief Operating Officer.
Leatherhead
September 13, 2024 at 05:04 pm
Well, there's a bit of minutiae that I didn't see in the Babylon Bee.
I became disenamored with these sites like PFF, Coldhardfootballfacts, Footballoutsiders, etc. a number of years ago. Yes, they had some good stuff, but these were far from perfect measures, and obscured the fact that at the end of the day, it's all about points.
Bitternotsour
September 13, 2024 at 05:20 pm
Yes, but we can hang our hats on winning the analytics, or someone's analytics nonetheless.
Ultimately you can believe your eyes or someone's obscure ratings systems.
LeotisHarris
September 13, 2024 at 09:37 pm
I didn't realize Collinsworth bought PFF from the English data nerd who started it and then set up his other talentless son as the COO. PFF is a big deal in NFL front offices; all 32 teams each cough up $150K annually for the service. I think it's via PayPal directly to Cris, or maybe Jac, not 100% sure.
Ya gotsta have a way to rank the workers, LH. How in the world can you have any order if you can't rank the workers? How can you offer data-driven services to move forward with the work to create client-ready deliverables and results that endure if you can't rank the workers?
Bitternotsour
September 13, 2024 at 10:35 pm
You just need good sales people and great marketing, obviously.
TKWorldWide
September 14, 2024 at 08:21 am
How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?
LeotisHarris
September 14, 2024 at 08:45 am
Once again, separated at birth!
TKWorldWide
September 14, 2024 at 11:16 am
LOL
porupack
September 11, 2024 at 07:39 am
For a team to get beat in the first game after a whole offseason of preparation and TC due to sloppy play is BAD COACHING!! If pack would have played consistently good football, but just got beat by a better team, or better strategy, or players making outstanding plays.....well, that is just how good competition yields wins and losses on any given sunday.
BAD COACHING!!
Lafleur is now on the hotseat. Why? Went back to his same ole tendencies. See if he brings some icepacks next Sunday for the asses of his staff and he-self. Such sloppy and inconsistent display is inexcusable....even for first game. How many months did he have to prepare his team? Yup....I have been on the side of preseason football,....and 4 games, not reducing to 3. Yeah, I get the risks. Life has risks. Football has some too. Bubble-wrap your players if you need to, but get them meaningful reps in preseason. Oh, and those TC practices that last for an hour and some minutes. Geez. Who is defending that now??
GregC
September 11, 2024 at 08:47 am
LaFleur is not on the hot seat after losing the first game of the season by five points to one of the better teams in the league at a neutral site. And Philly didn't play their starters for any serious amount of time in the preseason games either. Most teams don't.
egbertsouse
September 11, 2024 at 07:45 am
The Packer OL players and coaches should be forced to watch the SF vs Jets game . SF put on a blocking clinic. That’s how it’s done, men.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 07:51 am
We have to start asking questions of Stenavich and Butkus, and by “we” I mean LaFleur. Just repeating the same deficiencies is futility. It’s not just player related, we haven’t varied our philosophy or emphases either it seems. Without that it’s a recipe for endless circling.
Razer
September 11, 2024 at 08:55 am
I agree that O-line coaching needs to have a fire lit under them. Maybe that is why James Campen was brought back into the mix. Still, the ceiling on our talent isn't anywhere near SB quality. Center and right guard are not good enough and our two tackles are average. We are not going to dominate anyone in the run game and can only hope to give Love enough time to not get killed. We need to draft better - period.
jannesbjornson
September 11, 2024 at 03:30 pm
Move Morgan to LT where he can shine. Walker can go inside to add some muscle. They drafted Myers for his movement skills in wide zone, but on power sets, he gets pushed. Maybe his knees have taken a bit of his leverage away from him?
RCPackerFan
September 11, 2024 at 08:17 am
"IT'S ONLY ONE GAME, but the Packers hurt themselves mightily last Friday Night"
- Not going to lie but this brought up some of the deep feelers from 2014. Basically that the Eagles didn't beat us as much as we let this game get away from us. Way to many mistakes. Way to many opportunities blown. And a couple of very poorly timed blown penalties that really hurt us.
"While I expect a speedier than normal MCL recovery from Jordan Love's "silly body," (and there are some hints about that possibility from the Packers), Malik Willis is very likely the quarterback Sunday against the Colts. What's your confidence level that he can direct the offense efficiently with only a couple of weeks with the Packers? I'd rate mine low to medium-low. One thing that's holding me back is that I watched the Titans - Bears game and what was seen was an awful performance from Will Levis. If Willis couldn't beat him out and not even beat out Willis's backup, that doesn't give me a lot of confidence. However, if you want to see some in-depth analysis of Willis, take a look at this video from a name you'll know, Dusty Evely. He breaks down every pass attempt from WIllis in preseason with the Titans:"
I don't think its really that tough. The GM that drafted Willis was replaced and the new GM drafted Levis. The GM was ready to move on from Willis.
"NFL kickers went a combined 21 of 23 on field goals over 50 yards and over in Week one. One of the kickers who missed, Cade York of the Commanders, got cut the next day. Being able to hit from 50+ is now the standard for NFL kickers. Do the Packers have a kicker that meets that standard? We don't know at this point, but I'd settle for improved consistency over long distance kicks right now."
- I like what I have seen from our Kicker thus far. Yes he missed the one FG. But his kicks have been perfectly straight. I thought it was a good start.
"Being curious in what the Packers have or don't have in Sean Rhyan,"
- I think its only a matter of time until Morgan is the full time starting RG. Rhyan will make for a good backup.
"In the end, there were 17 accepted penalties (10 on the Packers) but more that were declined, as well. What an embarrassment, putting that notorious referee crew on full display for their international showcase audience. Yes, you could call a penalty on every play, but that doesn't mean you need to. Especially in cases where the infraction had no significance, LET THEM PLAY."
- While I am not saying the refs cost the Packers the game, it did play a vital part in why they lost. Lets start with a few calls. First the intentional grounding that they didn't call. They came up with some lame excuse to why it wasn't intentional grounding. Which was complete BS. It was the definition of intentional grounding. The holding on Jaire kept the final drive going. It should have been 3rd and 12 instead it was a first down. Also they called holding on Kenny Clark which was another crap call. Way to many bad calls.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 08:35 am
"What's your confidence level that he can direct the offense efficiently with only a couple of weeks with the Packers? "
If they ask him to try to run the entire playbook, then it shouldn't be very high. Matter of fact, if they try to get him to play under center the whole time and run a Jordan Love offensive game plan, we'd better hope the defense scores a couple TDs. If they focus in on a subset of the playbook and capitalize on his vision and athleticism (and strong arm), things look better.
"They came up with some lame excuse to why it wasn't intentional grounding."
They said contact with the defender prevented the ball from reaching the LOS...which was junk, yes. My recollection was that the ball was released before Hurts was hit. Hurts was still well within the tackle box as well. I think the Kenny Clark call was valid.
" Being able to hit from 50+ is now the standard for NFL kickers. "
Aside from the very best handful, kickers are a disposable commodity. They're easy scapegoats for lousy overall play. Don't waste draft picks on kickers....they're more often grown or found than they are drafted.
RCPackerFan
September 11, 2024 at 10:55 am
"If they ask him to try to run the entire playbook, then it shouldn't be very high. Matter of fact, if they try to get him to play under center the whole time and run a Jordan Love offensive game plan, we'd better hope the defense scores a couple TDs. If they focus in on a subset of the playbook and capitalize on his vision and athleticism (and strong arm), things look better."
I feel like this will be somewhat similar to when Jordan Love started his first game against the Chiefs. But I think LaFleur will have learned from that. I feel like they will probably do more role out plays. Allowing Willis to use his legs more. I think LaFleur will change the game plan to better suit what Willis can do.
"They said contact with the defender prevented the ball from reaching the LOS...which was junk, yes. My recollection was that the ball was released before Hurts was hit. Hurts was still well within the tackle box as well. I think the Kenny Clark call was valid."
They made contact with the QB and as he was getting tackled he threw the ball. If I remember right they said the contact made the ball go short or something. But there was not contact to his throwing arm. It should have been a penalty.
For the Clark play, ok, they can call holding if they want, but they should have called holding on the guy holding Brooks. Also, the holding that they tried calling on Clark was when Barkley was trying to block Clark.
"Don't waste draft picks on kickers....they're more often grown or found than they are drafted."
I am mixed on this. Either you draft one and have patience and develop them or you find someone else that was developed. I have no problem drafting a kicker in the 6th/7th round. How many of them don't even make the 53. If you get a kicker and he is the guy. then it was worth the pick
ImaPayne2
September 11, 2024 at 08:38 am
As a tax payer I always said giving teachers more money didnt make them teach better. I also and many others have as well, seen players get worse after the big money because for them it was always work hard to get the big money then who cares after that.
Personally I don't think this team has anywhere near the talent as the top teams. Across the board were average at best so why expect KC like outcomes? Our stars are supposed to star every week.
Packerpasty
September 11, 2024 at 09:23 am
truth, not even close to KC...and this will play out over the course of this season...
GregC
September 11, 2024 at 09:39 am
If you think rewarding people for good performance doesn't work, try NOT rewarding them and see how that goes.
TXCHEESE
September 11, 2024 at 08:39 am
The offense missed 2 golden opportunities to get a good lead, and really found no rhythm the entire first half. When the run game did get going, Love didn't make them pay with the play action game. Just one game and felt a whole lot like early last season where silly penalties and mistakes cost them. Was really disappointed the defense couldn't get off the field in the 4th quarter.
Time to circle the wagons and grind out a couple wins. Whole lotta game left.
HarryHodag
September 11, 2024 at 09:07 am
Not mentioned much is this was the first significant shoulder pad to shoulder pad contact in a live game for most of the starters. Late in McCarthy's tenure and certainly in MLF's is the tendency to hold the starters during preseason. Have we all forgotten the disaster in New Orleans a few seasons ago--even with Aaron Rodgers. They got things righted but...you only have 17 whacks at the pinata and they're basically forfeiting one game until the regulars get up to speed.
Yes, the old man is talking here, but Lombardi's training camp was full contact everyday and most of the starters played up to halftime in the preseason. There weren't that many injuries. Yes, there were fewer regular season games. Most of the injuries happened in the regular season and the rules were far more tolerant of bad behavior(like pile driving quarterbacks).
At some point MLF has to consider getting more reps to the regulars in the preseason.
(Footnote: Rhyan played a good number of snaps in the preseason compared to other starters.)
Leatherhead
September 11, 2024 at 10:04 am
I actually had to go back and check to be sure. And yes, the HC with the highest winning percentage of any active coach is the guy that they're saying is just not very good. He doesn't make adjustment's,he's timid,he should bench the Pro Bowler so the backup can play more, his teams aren't prepared, blah blah blah blah.
One close loss on the road to a good team. We had our chances, which is all you can reasonably hope for at the end of the day. It's over now. In a few days we have the home opener, and we're going to be playing the backup that just joined the team recently.
IMO, the Packers will run the same offense that everybody's been practicing since they came to Green Bay. That means Willis will handing it off or throwing short to the RBs about half the time, but we're still going to try to get the ball into the hands of our TD makers.
Al stated the turnover margin was 3-1. I hold that a missed FG is a turnover, so I put it at 3-2. Andy Herman had a long list about our negative plays, and I mostly agree with it. These holding penalties, and procedure penalties, and dropped passes and bad throws....I am 100% confident that practices will improve this, hopefully by Sunday.
Indy's defense didn't look particularly stout last weekend. I don't think the Packers need to get tricky and outsmart themselves here. The Packers led all teams last week in rushing YPA, and we've just added a good runner to the backfield.....this might be a good game to run it 40 times.
I've mentioned the Math of the 3-1-1 many times. With Reed, Doubs, Watson on the field, the defense almost has to play nickel defense, leaving six run defenders in the box, against our 5 OL + TE. I'll take that. Or, we can use the TE to move another defender out of the box and make it a 5 on 5. In either event, this is good for Green Bay.
I don't know if we can count on 29 points, but we should get over 20 if we don't turn it over a bunch.
T7Steve
September 11, 2024 at 10:59 am
3-1 or 3-2 it's still pleasant we actually won the turnover battle against a good playoff caliber team. Not capitalizing with 6s on those changed the complexion of the game. I think when the O starts to click, these redzone problems will go away and we'll start to dominate teams we're supposed to and compete with the best of the rest.
Coldworld
September 11, 2024 at 11:48 am
This is the first game LaFleur has had to start a player at QB not named Rodgers or Love. 90 percent of LaFleurs games were with a player already a certain future Hall of famer by the time of his recruitment. About half of the Rodgers starts were with a loaded roster. How many other coaches had that kind of Luxury? The winningest coach thing is accurate but dangerously deceptive without context. Context is everything. Part of that context is that, each year that we had a loaded roster, we failed, for myriad reasons often predicted and often repeated unlearned from.
Now, arguably, we are contenders again with Love and this roster and a new DC. If we prove to be that, then LaFleur will be starting to gain credibility. If this roster blows up for reasons that have dogged us for a while or some other tactical howler in the payoffs then LaFleur’s image will inevitably start to tarnish. He has the talent, he has control, they’re his coaches. If he can’t make it work then that will speak far louder and pointedly than his oft touted record.
This team should be taking steps forward this year. If it doesn’t there’s something wrong. Last week, no step forward was visible and some unresolved issues repeated. Its game one, so let’s give it time, but, if we are still discussing the OL, discipline, play calling, personnel choices, being out called and widespread underperformance in mid November then it’s time to start questioning just how good he is and how much he’s elevated his teams or they have him. This week is a golden opportunity for him to show real value.
dobber
September 11, 2024 at 12:29 pm
"With Reed, Doubs, Watson on the field, the defense almost has to play nickel defense, leaving six run defenders in the box, against our 5 OL + TE. "
With Love, you don't necessarily want or need to spread the field because so much of the playbook is available, but 11 personnel is the coin of the realm in the NFL, AND it allows the Packers to use their most accomplished playmakers.
This week I think spreading the field will be important to create space/running lanes and make it harder for Indy to clog the box.
dblbogey
September 11, 2024 at 03:43 pm
The head coach gets too much credit when he wins and too much blame when he loses. Th
PyschoDad3
September 11, 2024 at 10:53 am
It was pretty clear to me from watching the Monday night Jets 49ers game that the 49ers had their house in order as far as their line play went. The niners O-line pushed around a pretty good defensive front; and their defense was all over the Jets and didn't give them much to work with. Don't know what the Packers are doing in training camp, but to come out that sloppy? I think you should least get your line play up to speed, because that's what its all about. Vince always did.
T7Steve
September 11, 2024 at 11:00 am
NOTHING else will matter till you get good O-line play.
tobinrote
September 11, 2024 at 11:11 am
there is no solace in 'it's only one game'; a loss in game 1 counts as much as a loss in the middle or late season. this game was for the taking had the play calling been remotely rational, and head the tackling been at a pro level, but neither the coaches nor the players looked ready. watching the 49er game showed in no uncertain terms the difference in talent level both among players and coaches compared to the packers, let alone the jets. MLF kind of peter-principled himself into a head coaching position he is really not up to. his teams only start to get ready to play ball around midseason. and then there is letting the one person who was the heart of whatever offense we could have mustered average more than 9 yards a carry for the Vikings. and all the hype regarding Love? he looked very much the average qb he is.
13TimeChamps
September 11, 2024 at 11:28 am
"...average more than 9 yards a carry for the Vikings."
Not sure what games you were watching but Jones didn't average more than 9 yards a carry. He had 94 yards at 6.7ypc.
Meanwhile Jacobs and Wilson averaged 5.3 and 11.5 respectably. Green Bay outrushed Minnesota 163 to 144.
Lphill
September 11, 2024 at 12:29 pm
this week run the ball , use the tight ends and get this defense to play angry is the formula for a win.
NFLfan
September 11, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Matt La Fleur strikes me as an incurious fellow. He lacks the consistency, drive, intellect and curiosity one needs to match wits with he likes of a Reid or Shanahan. I get the sense he rarely ventures out of Green Bay and doesn't keep pace with the 'outside world.'
At least he could send 'spies' to successful camps to soak up (and report back) their secret sauces, cultures, intangibles, their cutting edge approaches--anything to raise his overall game.
Bitternotsour
September 11, 2024 at 02:07 pm
Yeah, I totally see what you mean. I mean he is winningest head coach through his first 40 career games in NFL history, been in the playoffs 4 out of 5 seasons, been in the NFL Championship game twice, but clearly winning culture is somehow beyond him.
I can't recall, which team are you here trolling for?
LeotisHarris
September 11, 2024 at 02:43 pm
As a true empath who has provided spot-on analysis since visiting training camp with your hubby a few years back, do you sense MLF could possibly have succumbed to learned helplessness? As you've pointed out multiple times, that malady has stricken GBP shareholders and fans alike. Perhaps MLF doesn't practice good handwashing and he picked up a nasty case.
Bitternotsour
September 11, 2024 at 03:17 pm
That's it. Hygiene.
GregC
September 11, 2024 at 12:44 pm
Very true that our big money guys did not earn their pay on opening day. That's bound to improve, right? We are in trouble if it doesn't.
I like your idea of more designed rollouts for Jordan Love.
The handoff up the middle on the 2-point attempt was really painful to watch.
I'm thinking Stokes played a decent game because I didn't see much of him on my TV screen. Jaire Alexander, on the other hand, got way too much screen time.
I watched about half of Dusty's video. He's insightful but could probably condense his analysis into about 1/4 of the time without losing any content. He really tests my patience. I have other things to do, like get back to work ha ha.
The lack of blitzing was frustrating and is all the more reason to get Edgerrin Cooper onto the field ASAP and maybe Ty'Ron Hopper as well.
It seems like field goal kicking standards have been raised a lot in the past few years, or maybe it happened gradually and I didn't notice it for awhile. Field goal percentages of kickers from even ten years ago have become less relevant when compared to kickers nowadays.
lpirlot
September 11, 2024 at 10:59 pm
Add a two hour bus ride from the hotel plus substandard field conditions, and it's amazing they did as well as they did.
bjkdad44
September 12, 2024 at 07:24 am
How does Kenny Clark get a “false start” penalty????!