8 Things That Would Supercharge the Packers in 2025
Eight developments that could help make the Packers true Super Bowl contenders this year.
By markoldacres

Jordan Love takes a step towards elite quarterback status
Love seemed primed to continue his excellent play to end the 2023 season into 2024, before a season full of injuries, beginning in week one, complicated matters. The various ailments may have been the only issue stopping him from making the progress everyone expected.
If Love can gain more consistency in his play entering year three as the starting quarterback and become a top ten, or maybe even closer to top five player at his position, it would be the single biggest positive development that could make the Packers a true contender.
Matthew Golden is an instant hit
Green Bay has had a few successful first round picks in the Brian Gutekunst era, but too many of them have failed to pan out, and they have often been slow burners.
They could really use a first-rounder to come in and hit the ground running, and in recent years, highly drafted wide receivers across the league have hit right away at a decent clip.
The Packers do not need a big contribution from Golden as such, with plenty of pass catching options, but if he can have a rookie impact akin to Brian Thomas Jr., Zay Flowers or Justin Jefferson, it would be a force multiplier for Green Bay’s offense.
Christian Watson returns quickly to top form
A video of Watson running routes as he works his way back from a January ACL injury has stirred up excitement among Packers fans, while Matt LaFleur admitted the receiver is ahead of schedule.
Watson will still likely miss a good bit of time to start the season, but if he is able to not only return, but more importantly, return to 100% effectiveness, in plenty of time before the playoffs, it would provide a massive boost.
Luke Musgrave rebounds from injury-plagued season
Musgrave has fought his fair share of injuries in the first two years of his NFL career, and in his absence in 2024, Tucker Kraft seized the opportunity and grabbed the top spot on the depth chart with both hands.
This has led to some questions about Musgrave’s role in the offense, but he still has an extremely rare and valuable skill set, featuring elite size and speed at the position,which can be weaponized by LaFleur.
Having Musgrave healthy and firing on all cylinders could mean the Packers are able to deploy 12 personnel, utilizing both of their tight ends, to cause real problems for opposing defenses as they try to discern whether they need more heavy or light defenders on the field.
Aaron Banks and Nate Hobbs prove the Packers right
One of the biggest areas Green Bay can improve in 2025 is in run blocking.
Josh Jacobs was tasked with making magic last season, and the Packers moved to address this by bringing in Banks from San Francisco, who is a well above average run blocker and in theory can help them be more dominant in the trenches, controlling the line of scrimmage.
On the other side of the ball, there are plenty of unknowns in the secondary, especially after Jaire Alexander’s release. Hobbs proving Green Bay right and becoming a legitimate, quality corner on the outside and in the slot would lift the ceiling of the defense significantly.
Neither Banks or Hobbs are slam dunk free agent additions; there is risk they do not work out as the Packers hope, but their track record in free agency suggests they deserve the benefit of the doubt.
Kenny Clark stays healthy
Clark remains the pivotal piece of Green Bay’s defensive interior, leading the group, playing a tremendous number of snaps and doing whatever the team needs based on the strengths of his teammates, whether it is focusing more on stopping the run or getting after the passer.
A toe injury sustained in week one, which Clark played through all year, caused his play to markedly dip in 2024.
Him being compromised is one thing, but after the Packers did little to address the defensive line in the draft, Clark being out of the lineup for a significant length of time could spell real trouble for the defense. A lot will hinge on him staying healthy in 2025.
Lukas Van Ness becomes a worthy running mate for Rashan Gary
Gary had a relatively down year in 2024 as he adjusted to the new defense, but for the most part, the Packers know what they are getting in him. There is a high floor to Gary’s game, but having another capable edge rusher could help him hit the ceiling he has displayed in the past.
Year three will be a big one for Van Ness, who dealt with a broken thumb in 2024 and has been given the runway to win the starting job opposite Gary.
If he can make the kind of strides Packers fans are crossing their fingers and hoping for, the team’s pass rush as a whole would benefit greatly.
Isaiah Simmons becomes a weapon for Hafley
Simmons is Green Bay’s latest reclamation project as a late free agency pickup, and the former eighth overall pick in the draft has a tantalizing skill set to work with.
Seen as a linebacker/safety hybrid entering the NFL, Simmons talked about how his versatility has been a blessing and a curse, not allowing him to settle and gain confidence in any one area of defense.
If Hafley can find a defined role to utilize Simmons’ freakish athleticism and unique profile and let him excel, he could bring an explosive element to the Packers defense.
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Mark Oldacres is a sports writer from Birmingham, England and a Green Bay Packers fan. You can follow him on twitter at @MarkOldacres
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Comments (75)
TKWorldWide
June 23, 2025 at 06:44 am
Love, of course, with LVN a close second! Let’s go!
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:50 am
LVN taking a big step would be great but I'd rather see Wyatt become a 10 sack DT and get better vs the run. Only two DTs had 10 sacks last year and only three did it in 2023. Wyatt taking that kind of step would be bigger than LVN doing so.
LambeauPlain
June 23, 2025 at 12:51 pm
LVN taking a big step up would be fortuitous for the Defense...he first needs to keep Cox, Jr. and/or Sorrell from passing him on the depth chart.
Working Luther at DT indicates his coaches may believe the two just might rise past him at DE.
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 01:13 pm
I'm not sure that Wyatt going for 10 sacks wouldn't price him right out of GB.
mnbadger
June 23, 2025 at 05:10 pm
10 sacks this year for Wyatt would help justify his draft position and help us win two or three more games.
I like that.
If it earns him a boatload of cash with another team next year, so be it.
GPG!
LLCHESTY
June 24, 2025 at 06:55 am
Well they have him under contract next year and then they could tag and trade and get boatload for him if he had two really good years.
It's not out of the realm of possibility, some of the DTs ahead of him for sacks had twice as many pass rush snaps as Wyatt did. If he gets better against the run he'll get a few more pas rush snaps as well.
T7Steve
June 23, 2025 at 07:09 am
Love is an easy one and will be fine. Not mentioned is the play calling that will help him more and even make him an afterthought of an extremely efficient offense kind of like Philly's QB last season (what's his name?).
Kenny. LVN and the whole D-line will come into its own this season with great linebacking to back it. This will help the budding secondary that's anchored by the safeties.
TKWorldWide
June 23, 2025 at 07:29 am
(Jim Mora voice:) “Playcalls? You kidding me? Playcalls?”
😉😂
Gman1976
June 23, 2025 at 03:08 pm
I agree with the play calling, but would expand that to better headcoaching, better OC coaching g, and better special teams coaching. These really need to improve.
TKWorldWide
June 23, 2025 at 08:04 pm
I’ve done this before, but here it is again: questioning playcalling can be the lowest hanging fruit there is. For many fans, it goes like this: GB runs a play that doesn’t work, after which they immediately say, “They shoulda called something else!” As if ANY other play would have been successful. Sometimes it’s just execution. Sometimes a defender just makes a great play. Sometimes the center pukes on the ball and the slipperiness causes a problem.
Now I will admit there have been a few calls that have bugged me too, such as the toss sweep to Eddie Lacy out of the shotgun. But I am also smart enough to know that a helluva lotta work and planning goes into calling the plays, but the opposing DC’s aren’t idiots either.
Mike Holmgrem once said, “Amateurs focus on playcalling. Pros focus on execution.”
That’s good enough for me.
NickPerry
June 23, 2025 at 07:19 am
Like TK said above, Jordan Love taking a step forward towards elite, hell, even great is number one IMO. This team will go as far as Love can take them. I honestly think this is the season Love moves into the "Great" category.
I think Hobbs and Banks are a close second with LVN. It's just I don't know if we can really expect too much more from LVN. I'd like to think the kid will turn the corner but who knows. Hopefully with Covington as the new D-Line coach, he can get more from LVN...MUCH more.
The Packers are going to need Hobbs first and foremost to stay on the field. IIRC he's missed some games the last few seasons due to injuries. He needs to stay on the field. With Banks the Packers now have a real road grader on the O-Line. With Jenkins moving to Center, I could see a lot of long, big runs off behind the left side of the O-Line.
Just WIN... I'm 65 and need at LEAST 2 more SB championships before I croak!
GO PACK GO!
Since'61
June 23, 2025 at 09:27 am
Nick I remember being 65. I would like another SB or 2 also. Stay well. Thanks, Since '61
NickPerry
June 24, 2025 at 05:32 am
Hey Since '61...You and I have been commenting on the same sites for what, 20 years now? Good to see your comments, I always start looking for them the closer we get to the regular season.
Lets hope Championship #14 is just around the corner.
Since'61
June 24, 2025 at 09:34 am
Yes Nick we've had a long run going back to Jersey Al's ALLGBP blog. IIRC I joined ALLGBP back in 2009 and you were already there. I've enjoyed your posts from the beginning.
It's good to see that many of the ALLGBP members followed Jersey AL here to CHTV and that they are still with us as well. I won't mention specific names because I'd be afraid to leave someone out. But we're all getting ready for another season of Packers football. GPG! Thanks, Since '61
Packers0808
June 23, 2025 at 10:40 am
I am 80 get me one more!
NickPerry
June 24, 2025 at 05:47 am
That's right!!
Since'61
June 24, 2025 at 09:37 am
Hang in there Packers0808 we'll get there. Besides 80 is the new 60. When I reached 70 everyone told me that 70 was the new 50. Be well. Thanks, Since '61
mnbadger
June 23, 2025 at 07:21 am
Thank you for a Ray of 🌞 on this Monday morning.
Eight things that could legitimately go right.
Any 5 of the 8 and the Pack is among the league's best.
None are really even a stretch.
The bubble is inflating, up to mlf to keep it in the air and preventing a burst.
GPG!
Savage57
June 23, 2025 at 07:38 am
I'd add Matt improving his coaching mettle in crunch time as #8(a).
More composure and decisivenous when the game's at a turning point, less looking lost in the pressure of the moment.
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 07:45 am
If receivers would actually catch the balls they are dropping, we'd have one of the most productive offenses in the NFL. This is without any other improvement in any other area....just catchthefrickinball.
EricTorkelson
June 23, 2025 at 08:34 am
Leather ...Theres something about a QB who puts the ball in a catchable, nonviolent area that makes receivers better pass catchers (Rodgers was the master)
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 08:58 am
That's part of it, but mostly the receivers need to catch the balls that hit them right smack in the hands.
bassrock
June 25, 2025 at 11:17 am
Maybe if Love threw the ball where it was in a place it should be they would catch it. How many drops were there when Willis was QB compared to Love? Willis actually throws the ball where it's suppose to be compared to Love at the feet, behind, or over the head.
Handsback
June 23, 2025 at 07:49 am
I like what mnbadger and Savage 57 alluded to, in that MLF has to do a better job of managing the offense.
Yes, Love needs to get better and I believe he will, but play calling and concepts seem to be left overs from the AR days. They need to learn how to sustain drives in crucial times, like down by 4 and need a TD. The play calling to me doesn't seem cohesive. I don't ever sit back and say..."WHAT A CALL" when it leads to a TD or a key 1st down. Too often, it seemed to me that when GB needed that key play last year, they couldn't deliver on it.
JMHO
T7Steve
June 23, 2025 at 08:07 am
Mostly it was as LH alluded to above. Dropped passes at crucial times. Maybe pass it more to #8 or Kraft in those circumstances. So, MLF should lean more to strengths until proven otherwise.
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 09:53 am
I think Kraft has EARNED more targets. Golden and Williams might be great, but they've earned nothing yet. Kraft has.
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 08:28 am
There was an article last week, I think it was in packerswire, about rookie WRs who were picked in the first round. In recent years, they have been averaging over 800 yards and 5 TDs. It's not unrealistic to think Matthew Golden could have that kind of production. He looks ready for the NFL.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 08:45 am
How will Matthew Golden adjust to being double-covered?
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 09:35 am
If Golden plays well enough to draw double coverage on a regular basis, then he must be doing what the Packers need him to do.
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 09:56 am
A good question.
We play a 3-1-1. Two guys cover Golden, and the other 3 cover Kraft, Williams, and Reed. That leaves six run defenders in the box.
Watson only touched the ball 33 times year, but every time he lined up the defense had to adjust to the possibility he could just get behind them. Golden is going to have a similar effect, but with substantially more targets.
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:23 am
Players like Jefferson, Chase, Nabors and Thomas skew those numbers quite a bit and they were all top 10 picks except Thomas. Golden was the least productive 1st WR taken in the last 10 years, I'd be happy with a MVS like 1st season but with a couple more TDs. If he catches a couple deep ones early in the year and takes attention away from others that would be plenty.
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 10:37 am
Yes, the best players skew the averages upward. Just like how the worst players skew the averages downward.
I took another look at the packerswire article, and they computed the averages when picks from the top eight are excluded. It was still 785 yards and 5 TDs.
And Justin Jefferson was not a top 10 pick, by the way.
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:59 am
You are correct sir! Not sure what I was thinking there. Forgot about his dumb slot only rep that year. All you had to do was go back a year to see him playing well outside.
I took a quick look at MVS's rookie stats and was surprised to see his average was quite a bit below his career average. I'd like to see Golden with at least a 16 yard average. A 40 for 640 and 4-5 TDs would be good.
LeotisHarris
June 23, 2025 at 08:32 am
Remember the old Steve Martin joke about how to become a millionaire? The first thing he said to do was to get a million dollars. So, channeling my inner Doug in Sandpoint, all the Packers need to do to be supercharged is to go 17-0.
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:24 am
The joke was actually about how to be a millionaire and not pay taxes by using two simple words in the English language. I forgot.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 08:33 am
MLF has had 6 off-seasons to study with a better offensive mind. He has had 6 seasons to hire a talented OC or at least a smart young offensive unknown to bounce ideas off during inevitable tense moments--
Bisaccia is not that person. Kyle Shanahan , who is more sophisticated than MLF, has gone it alone since 2021and has come under fire for in-game decisions harming the team, particularly in the SB. I guess they've promoted Kubiak, but Shanahan will still call plays. MLF has been allowed to fall apart in every game; thrown clip-boards, arguing w/refs, looking lost, wasting time and focus on emotion. He needs help-real help-with in-game adjustments. Why would this year be different? Hafley has a reliable, smart assistant.
Kenny Clark sustained a 'toe injury' on a foot with long-standing bunions/bone spurs that should have been surgically removed last off-season. He is paid millions and should have known that continuing to play on a foot with bunions (they don't just magically appear overnight) would compromise his play and 'hurt'.
His 'toe injury' is now on par with Rodger's mythic 'avulsion fracture'-both were excuses. Rodgers likely had an intermittent sore thumb but if it was an avulsion fracture he would have been out for 6 weeks with a real splint, not janky adhesive tape
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 09:59 am
When did Bisaccia become our OC?
Shanahan's offense was 22nd in the league last year. LaFleur's was better.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 10:42 am
Bisaccia is MLF's go-to in-game 'assistant'-
MLF is not in the same conversation as Shanahan.
-keep deflecting
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 12:12 pm
Let's have a look at what that conversation would look like.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/
LaFleur...winning % after 6 seasons of .670, 13th all time and 3rd among active coaches. Games over .500 =34, which is 32nd all time. Shanahan has 8 seasons, is 91st all time at 8 games over .500. His winning percentage is .530.
So yeah, clearly, not even in the conversation.
BuckyBadger
June 23, 2025 at 08:48 am
LVN is the biggest X factor. He was a top pick and for teams to get to be top contenders they need those guys to hit.
Love has all the weapons a QB can ask for and he also needs to take that next step or the Packers will look to get out from that contract. Lots of veteran QBs would find Green Bay an attractive landing spot with the offense that they set up.
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 09:02 am
What do you think the chances are that the Packers will move on from Jordan Love after this season and bring in a veteran QB? I would say the odds are pretty close to 0%.
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 09:37 am
Agreed: they're married to that contract for at least two more seasons.
bassrock
June 25, 2025 at 11:22 am
How about just play Willis. Looked like a top 10 QB when he played and seemed to feel the game way better than Love. But of course he did this after only being there 2 weeks. But the Pack couldn't let the 55 million QB be out shown.
Vachio
June 23, 2025 at 03:50 pm
I'm sure plenty of veteran QBs would, but who is likely to be available who is objectively better than Love?
Look at this list of projected 2026 QB free agents: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/_/year/2026/position/qb/sort/con...
Daniel Jones? An A-Rod reunion tour? Honestly, the only one on the list I would even consider would be Malik Willis. We know he can play and play well in our system. Everyone else...hard pass.
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 09:16 am
Love--I guess it depends on how you define "top 5". If you're talking yardage, I don't think he gets there. If you're talking TDs? Maybe, maybe not. I think this is an offense that--when healthy--doesn't necessarily ask the QB to be a hero. It just asks him to make good adjustments at the line, good reads of the field, and execute throws (or runs). Those things will keep the offense on the field and scoring points, even if guys like Jacobs, Wilson, or Lloyd are getting all the TDs.
Golden, Watson, and Musgrave--all three of these are calling for the same things: impact play from the pass-catcher(s). I don't think it matters who it is, whether it's one of these three or someone else, but someone becoming a threat that DCs are scheming for on every down will help the other pass-catchers to be more productive. A couple thoughts...
...by drafting Williams and Golden Packers have essentially doubled-down on being an 11-personnel team. When they drafted Kraft and Musgrave, I thought maybe they'd shift more to 2 TE packages, and we'll recall that Musgrave was the starting TE until he got hurt as a rookie--implying that the Packers felt he could block enough to fill that role. We all seem to see a top-end multi-purpose TE in Tucker Kraft, which means that Musgrave will likely need some help to get very many reps.
...Watson is trying to get back quickly, which is a credit to him, but at this stage I'm thinking that any help they get from him will be a bonus.
...the expectations on Golden are pretty high. He's going to need to play right away, or the offense will struggle to get the downfield throws it needs going. That means he could be asked to master a more limited route tree early on. Yes, rookie WRs are more effective than ever--especially round 1 WR--but Thomas and Jefferson were 1300+ yd rookies. If Golden finishes with Xavier Worthy type numbers (55 catches, 638 yards, 6 TD), I'd call that a success.
Free agents--Hobbs is at least as good as Stokes. That's who he's essentially replacing out of 2024's CBs. Banks, as a physical interior blocker, has a pretty high floor. I might be concerned with Hobbs' history of ankle injuries, but I think both of these guys will play well.
Impact play in the front 7--this is where the Clark, LVN and Simmons comments are headed. Again, I don't care who the productive ones turn out to be. They need guys who can make plays on a regular basis. It would be great if LVN becomes a stud, but I don't care if he has a banner year or if it's Cox or Enagbare. A threat opposite Gary will make Gary all the better. I am concerned that the run D will take a step back without Slaton, but they drafted some beef, and those guys are going to play. I think the improvement in the run D came as much from playing downhill and getting better play on the edges as it came from the interior.
Simmons is a flier on a one-year, easily cut, contract. McDuffie is a lesser athlete, but they like him and he has more $$ owed to him. There are young guys who can grow into roles and play STs, and Oliver as a tweener needs a place to fit. Maybe Simmons lights the world on fire and the Packers end up with one of the most versatile and athletic LB groups in the league. I think he's just as likely to end up cut.
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 09:54 am
"Hobbs is at least as good as Stokes." This is an understatement. Hobbs is a lot better than Stokes.
Agreed that the loss of Slaton could result in a decline for the run defense. They let him go without making on offer, and they didn't draft a DT till the sixth round, then waited till after the draft to sign a run-stuffing specialist. So it looks like they are willing to sacrifice some bulk in the middle in exchange for more mobility and more pass rush. We'll see how it works out.
The 2-TE thing with Musgrave and Kraft never got rolling, not even early last season when Musgrave was healthy. Also, they've never bothered to draft a 3rd TE. It might have been fun, but I'm okay with using the WRs more. Whatever works.
jannesbjornson
June 23, 2025 at 07:27 pm
Give the reps to Kraft and let him develop as a dominant weapon. Musgrave had bad luck with injuries and he lost whatever explosion he exhibited. He's the backup.
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:42 am
Love being a top 5 QB is like pornography, you know it when you see it. As far as numbers I think he'd have to finish in the upper half of the league in completion percentage and stay under 10 interceptions. The main thing is to play well in big games. They play two top 5 QBs this year and one on the cusp of being top 5 in Jayden Daniels. Winning one or two of those and playing well in all three would go a long way to pushing him into the top 5 conversation.
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 01:23 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion that Washington--and Daniels--is in for a let-down season.
Since'61
June 23, 2025 at 09:34 am
I'm surprised to see that the OL is left off the list of what will supercharge the Packers in 2025. If the OL improves, especially in the run game, the Packers offense will be nearly unstoppable. Plus as Leatherhead correctly mentioned in his post if the receivers catch the ball this offense can be a league leader. As for the list of 8 covered in the article I agree with those as well. Bottom line we won't know until the season starts. GPG! Thanks, Since '61
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 09:42 am
I think part of what has made the Lions' and Eagles' offense so effective is that their OL over the last two years has redefined what a "passing down" is. 2nd and 8, 3rd and 4 for most teams is a passing down. The Lions' OL allowed them to keep the playbook open more effectively in situations that other teams can't. That's hard on opposing DCs. 4th and short for the Eagles is an additional down.
I'd love to see the Packers' OL be close to that level.
Leatherhead
June 23, 2025 at 10:06 am
2nd and 8 is not a passing down if you're going to go for it on 4th down. And if you have a really good Oline, and a really good RB, you can plow it into the line and make it 3rd and 5, which STILL isn't a passing down. A few yards on 3rd down makes it 4th and a yard or two.
Of all the guys I hated coaching against, the ones that pissed me off the most were the ones who went for it on 4th and short. It's like "Hey, we've stopped you and you have to punt to us now", and then they don't. You have those short quarters in high school football anyway, and then they get a chance to burn a couple of more minutes..
Failing on 4th and short is a turnover, but punting is a turnover, too, in a sense, because you're relinquishing possession in order to gain 40 yards of field position.
Since'61
June 24, 2025 at 09:11 am
Leatherhead your first paragraph is precisely why I posted that if the Packers OL can improve in the run game their offense can be "supercharged" in 2025. Good post. Thanks, Since '61
LLCHESTY
June 23, 2025 at 10:44 am
"The Lions' OL allowed them to keep the playbook open more effectively in situations that other teams can't."
Against the Packers anyway. I'm not sure they accomplished that against other top teams.
Since'61
June 24, 2025 at 09:08 am
Dobber - I agree with you completely. Thanks, Since '61
TarynsEyes
June 23, 2025 at 09:49 am
When a blackjack dealer deals out 8 hands, one could safely assume that 5 are automatic losers, and that's before each makes a decision to hit or stay. The odds of hitting on enough of these 'ifs' is as bad as getting five winners from one round of blackjack. It could happen, but how many times do you see the dealer paying that many hands in a round.
Which of these eight are the most needed to succeed, and that's the hands you better play correctly.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 11:03 am
'If the O-Line improves, 'If the D-Line improves', 'If LVN turns the corner', 'If Kenny Clark returns to form'
'If MLF gets a handle on pre-game planning, in-game adjustment and a cooler head', 'if the WRs start catching the ball', 'If Quay Walker will become the LB we need him to be', 'If Jordan Morgan can actually play LT', 'Can T. Hopper play LB this year'. There are many more 'ifs'.
Fans need to look @ the number of 'ifs' in this equation-it is not mathematically feasible for the current list of 'ifs' to fall in the favor of the Packers. Adult fans should be able to be more objective and take 50% of the 'ifs' off the table and ask why there is so much uncertainty.
Did fans used to 'hope' that Davante Adams would catch ball? (after his second year)
Did fans used to 'wish' Aaron Rodgers would protect the ball and throw accurately?
Did fans used to hope Bakhtiari would be a reliable and elite LT?
How about Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Clay Matthews?
13TimeChamps
June 23, 2025 at 12:16 pm
"Did fans used to 'hope' that Davante Adams would catch ball? (after his second year)
Did fans used to 'wish' Aaron Rodgers would protect the ball and throw accurately?
Did fans used to hope Bakhtiari would be a reliable and elite LT?
How about Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver, Clay Matthews?"
You post this senseless drivel ad nauseum. None of these players have been on the team for years now. None of them have anything to do with the current team. Maybe...just maybe...it's time for you to move on and accept that. You'll probably sleep better.
dobber
June 23, 2025 at 01:32 pm
These things didn't happen immediately for several of these guys. Driver took 4 years to take off. Fans hoped and wished for those kinds of things until they were true.
...as for Nelson, Driver, and Matthews: I was perfectly happy with them not being elite LTs.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 11:10 am
There is much more emphasis on protecting the status quo. I see it here everyday.
LambeauPlain
June 23, 2025 at 01:04 pm
You mean in the way commentors here were "protecting the status quo" of retaining Joe Barry during his years of futility?
You must be new here.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 11:30 am
BTW: Jordan Love cannot rectify GB's weaknesses. Rodgers had elite protection and receivers, so do all of the top QB's.
I think Love would be a hot commodity on the open market and with a suitable supporting cast (comparable to winning teams), would be elite.
LeotisHarris
June 23, 2025 at 01:40 pm
fangirl, why are you here? Just to troll? To save all the non-adult Packers fans who cannot accept your defined reality from, um, learned helplessness? You recycle the same drivel with the same themes. What does that do for you?
If you're going to hang around and continue to ride your "LaFleur is incurious/Rodgers had elite protection/the CB room is deficient/Green Bay hangs onto bad players/coaches/management too long/it's a bunion/it's not a fracture/learned helplessness/other teams do it better" schtick, at least learn to use a fucking apostrophe. You were half way there with "GB's" above, but then true to form in another unforced error blew it at crunch time with "top QB's".
Bitternotsour
June 23, 2025 at 04:33 pm
Like a little kid fishing. Casts, can't wait, reels in casts again. Same bait, same spot, rinse repeat.
For once it would be great if one of these trolls from other teams brought some quality material that generated actual banter. Sadly, they don't send their best and brightest. We get the dimwitted and dull.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 04:43 pm
@LH-I also have a distinct aversion to spin control and fantasy-I want the Packers to be excellent again and I sense they are on their way to another few years of mediocrity.
LeotisHarris
June 23, 2025 at 08:49 pm
"I also have a distinct aversion to spin control and fantasy-"
And, you see CHTV as an entity engaged in spin control on behalf of the Green Bay Packers? If that's the case, you should take some time to educate yourself on the origins of and purpose of the site. Jersey Al comes with his bona fides, Behnke is a sharp guy, but the idea that a National Football League franchise would trust Nagler with any kind of messaging is, well, it's silly. Aaron is a fan with above-average communication skills and a face for radio, but dammit he helped to build this place so you have to tip your hat to him.
As far as fantasy, this being a site for fans allows fans to engage in fan-like behavior. You know, to love a team for how you see it because it's your team. I understand you're a critic, and imho an underinformed and misplaced one, but that's why fans come to CHTV. The writers here, and some are more skilled than other, give us their best to drive traffic to the site. It's all about clicks. Clicks =$$ for Al, Corey and Aaron.
"-I want the Packers to be excellent again and I sense they are on their way to another few years of mediocrity."
I understand you're an empath; you sense and feel so much, and the vibes are strong. So, your solution is to post the same content ad nauseum in hopes the Packers brass will read it and alter their plans? Or, are you still working to empower the fanbase to rise-up against those you perceive as not acting in the best interest of the team that once employed a QB you adored, until you didn't? Or' is it in hopes of one day winning the Internet's coveted I Told Ya So Award?
If you do reach out to Nagler because I'm giving you a stalker vibe, please ask him to consider adding a mute feature to the board. Wouldn't it be nice?
Bitternotsour
June 23, 2025 at 10:43 pm
Leotis, even though Aaron Nagler has a face for radio, i believe he was a stage actor prior to this unfortunate turn in his professional life. Sometimes our jobs choose us rather than the other way around.
Alberta_Packer
June 23, 2025 at 11:51 am
Following the "superscharge" list - is my "added boost" list.
1. Marshawn Lloyd establishes himself as an available RB-2
2. Jordan Morgan reps at LT and/RG
3. Ty'Ron Hopper "pops."
4. Savion Williams becomes an added weapon on Offense.
5. Bo Melton claims CB-4/5
LambeauPlain
June 23, 2025 at 01:17 pm
I fear Musgrave's injuries have taken as much a psychological toll as a physical one.
He was always viewed a size/speed finesse TE. Last year he had the injuries but when he was back on the field he played timidly. Never a YAC guy or plow the road blocker like Kraft...but you rarely saw him producing when on the field...no catching of contested passes or making blocks on plays.
The lacerated kidney was a very dangerous injury. Maybe it affected him mentally?
I am not running him down. Truly want him to succeed. He and Kraft could be a lethal duo. I just wonder why he seems to be playing down to his floor.
After badly injuring my ankle, heal and foot off an 8 ft ladder, I am very timid using them now.
GregC
June 23, 2025 at 01:53 pm
Good point. I never got one of my kidneys lacerated, but that can't be fun.
NFLfan
June 23, 2025 at 04:47 pm
I don't fault a player for being somewhat nervous after an injury but it can't go on too long.
PhantomII
June 23, 2025 at 08:35 pm
Draft a couple WR's high in the draft to put pressure on our dropping WR's and add a Vet WR who wants a second chance...CHECK
ML actually uses his best players in the PASS game to a clip of 50% increase of touches for a should be PRO BOWLER in KRAFT at TE and RB JACOBS. That would be HUGE for us....but...... common sense is elusive in our Coaching tree.
I believe #11 and Golden step way up this season.
At least 2 of our 4 man rush get double digit sacks.....that would be nice.
GPG
the_gavia_pass
June 24, 2025 at 02:00 am
8 "if" are already tons of "if". and considering some "if" are really hoping in a miracle....we can say it's really hard to compete at high level.
Since'61
June 24, 2025 at 09:22 am
This is the time of the year for "ifs". I call the period between the draft and the regular season the hype, propaganda, and speculation season. Thanks, Since '61
NFLfan
June 24, 2025 at 09:34 am
I am bored communicating with grown men insisting on living in their fantasy world-(until reality hits on Sept 7) How about conversations using objective analysis, no matter how much it might hurt?